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Velociraptor
The Velociraptor was seen in the top bar in the new video.
(Dinwrest 19:45, 13 August 2007 (UTC))
Hadrosaurs!?!?!?
So far there are NO hadrosaurs confirmed!!!!! Ornithomimus 20:29, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Fences
If you look on the video , during the dimetrodon part there is a new type of fence around the exhibit. The same fence also appears in the screenshot of the megatherium in the scrub environment.
Last
This is not the last expansion, I edited that out. --67.162.31.74 04:39, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Problem with Confirmed Animals
I see that some people are putting animals to the list that haven't been confirmed by Microsoft or Blue Fang at the moment, and I just want to notify this: currently we know of three animals which are the Mammoth, the Wooly Rhino, and the Smilodon. If you see other animals confirmed, cite your sources (provide a link proving the animal has been confirmed) of the information and we'll be fine with it. Thank you. The Helper S 05:33, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
That's SOOOO annoying. Dora Nichov 13:19, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
YEAH!! It confuzes others. Dinoman96 17:18, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Pictures Request
I can't beleive someone's requested a picture. No animals or objects have even been confirmed - and if there were any pictures, I'm good enough to put them on! --218.111.23.71 11:03, 24 January 2007 (UTC) (Sorry - didn't realise I wasn't logged in! I am User:Cuddly Panda
Yeah.. Dora Nichov 13:19, 1 February 2007 (UTC)Agreed. The Helper S 20:26, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Right. Dora Nichov 02:05, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
I FOUND SOME PICTURES WERE RELEASED YESTERDAY! I DONT KNOW HOW TO PUT PICTURE IN WIKIPEDI AND ITS IN PROTECTED MODE.LINK:http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2007/191/939680_20070711_screen001.jpghttp://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2007/191/939680_20070711_screen002.jpghttp://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2007/191/939680_20070711_screen003.jpghttp://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2007/191/939680_20070711_screen004.jpg
THESE PICS HAVE NEW ANIMALS, OBJECTS, FOSSIL HUNTING MODE AND ETC.
I found these pics on the games for windows site:[1][2][3]GrimpyNZ 17:33, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
I believe BF_KeithC on the Zoo Admin fourms (The Vacation Home) will be giving information about the game every week. Here's the Pics so far.[4][5][6][7][8]Dinoman96 12:02, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Semi-Protection
Do you think this article needs semi-protection? Teak 00:21, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
YES YES YES! Dora Nichov 03:50, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Heck Yeah! This Article is crawling with moronaters.. Dinoman96 18:16, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Mostly one actually: Bunny Beater/Komodo Lover/Black Rhino Ranger/Womcat/Snakezilla.. Dora Nichov 10:57, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Editing abuse
I don't know about the rest of you..but I am getting tired of all this constant editing, and reverting and so forth. This article has reached well over 500 edits, and the stupid game has not even been released yet. For that matter, an official sneak peak has not yet been released by Microsoft, so how can all these 'facts' be proven or disproven?
This is getting close to edit warring, and before an admin decides to completely lock the article, we should start choosing our edits wisely.Blipadouzi 01:05, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Quick Question
I just wanted to know, some have put this month as a release for the expansion and others have put it between May-August (as currently put). Can anyone tell me why so many are pinpointing the release date so close when no actual information has even been given? I haven't seen any official BF info yet, so I'm going to put TBA 2007 until release info is confirmed. Discusion welcome on the topic (PS: Off-topic, but I also registered at ZA last week so I could recieve access to the site and discuss stuff there; I used to lurk there occasionally for a few years but since now it's members-only, I just registered so feel free to contact me there). The Helper S 00:14, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Currently there are two possible major release dates - July 3rd according to a swedish website, and October 3rd according to another website. I think we should just write 'Spring 2007' or 'Second Quarter 2007' or something along the lines of 'Spring-Summer' --JohnVMaster 19:54, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Extinct Animals on Games for Windows
http://www.gamesforwindows.com/en-US/Games/Pages/ZooTycoon2ExtinctAnimals.aspx144.137.230.165 14:31, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
- Interesting find..the cover art looks nice, but I noticed something on the article someone put up..someone here said that the Wal-Mart website already listed the Prima Guide for this XP with an arrival date of 4/30/07, surely the expansions shouldn't be coming out so soon without information even on the main site or info from BF representatives at ZA, am I missing something here? The Helper S 05:19, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
- It say Forbidden when i try to get on Zoo Admin. Is it just me? Dinoman96 18:49, 30 April 2007
Happens to me to. Jntg4 (not logged in)
- A Swiss website has Zoo tycoon 2 EA listed for release on 05/07/2007. Yeah Right. Dinoman96 00:49, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
- The Swiss list their dates as in DD/MM/YYYY not MM/DD/YYYY so it's July 3, not May 7 (If they're not pulling a Wal-Mart)--JohnVMaster 22:20, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Woolly rhino
How can you tell it is a Coelodonta?
- It's just speculated to be Coelodonta currently, so we aren't sure yet about that one so it could be another extinct rhino species, like a Elasmotherium (unlikely, since the rhino in the film snippet looks like it had two horns, but I could b mistaken). Until we actually find out, then I edited the article to say it is speculated only and not confirmed. The Helper S 22:02, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Dinosaurs
Do you think there will be any? Dinoman96 00:49, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, IMO (possibly or possibly not true just yet, I believe it might not due to the fact that the boxart has more recent animals and have already released the Dino Danger pack, though. But that's just my speculation..there could be dinos in it, and the name is 'Extinct Animals', so it isn't ruled out just yet. The Helper S 22:58, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
- The other day, some idiot posted that there would be a Tyrannosaurus in Extinct Animals. THERE'S ALREADY A T-REX AVAILABLE!! Seriously, some people..
- Eat your words. Press release, read it! --Cuddly Panda 07:18, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
- I wrote that BEFORE the press release..before any of us knew the DD pack (or at least two of the dinos) would be included. At the time, the guy was being a typical Moronator. CBFan 16:22, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Volcano
Isn't there one in ZT2: ES?Patrickstar2 (talk) 03:08, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
- Yes. --218.208.248.60 02:26, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Thylacine/Carnotaurus/Triceratops/Gastornis
If whoever keeps adding them to the list would be so kind as to show us where they got the confirmed (and note that word) information, please post it here. Otherwise, we know nothing about any of these animals, so stop posting them Snakezilla. 212.139.252.189 11:16, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Black rhino ranger: Snake is right, there will be a tasmanian tiger because he heard that it is in the video, not the smilodon and if the t-rex and styrachosaurus is in EA then the rest of the dinos from Dino Danger should be in EA and the gastornis and Quagga are in the screenshots so DO NOT REMOVE ANY OF THESE ANIMALS and stop saying Tylacine. Its giving me and snake a headache
That's because you ARE SnakeZilla. You must be, because you're using the same stupid method of signing your name. I already told you, press THIS key ~ four times and it automatically signs your name! I already told SnakeZilla (or rather, YOU) that no Thylacine has been confirmed. PROVE that a Thylacine has been confirmed (WITHOUT saying 'the video') and we'll believe you. Likewise, show screenshots that the Triceratops and Carnotaurus are DEFINATELY in EA (yes, it's highly likely that they will be, but we don't have proof as yet) AND this 'second batch of screenshots' that show the Gastornis and Quagga you constantly whinge about and we'll believe you. Otherwise, stop vandalising Black Rhino Ranger/SnakeZilla/Moronator. And finally, you have no right to tell me to stop saying Thylacine (which, I may point out, you've spelt incorrectly). It is the technical name for Tasmanian Tiger, looks more scientific and is easier to write AND say, so I don't see your problem.
Absolutely right!!! Dora Nichov 09:02, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Mistakes
Blackrhino ranger: I think the release has made a mistake, the t-rex should only be in Dino Danger as well as the styrachosaurus. the screen shot must have taken two animals and one is from a diferent expasion pack, styrachosaurus should not be in EA, it should be in DD2
- READ THE DAMNED PRESS RELEASE! --Cuddly Panda 07:19, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
- And sign your name properly. And stop creating more than one account, Snakezilla (we know it's you) CBFan 16:23, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
CP and CBFan are right, I have nothing more to say. Dora Nichov 09:01, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Black rhino ranger: I Have no chioce, I Have To Have This
Sign your blooming name properly! 212.219.92.36 10:07, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Stop acting so stupid and dumb and who knows what. You don't have to vandalize. Dora Nichov 10:20, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Black rhino ranger: I'm not allowed to do this
Stop deleting posts BRR. You are NOT allowed to do what you are currently doing. You MUST sign properly. There is no two ways about it. 80.43.115.178 17:07, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Do what? Dora Nichov 09:01, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Sign your ruddy name properly!! FOUR of these signs (~).
Black rhino ranger: Signing my name before my quote is the an exersising thing, That will be lazy if I just added in 4 signs (~).
It is NOT lazy, it is the RULES. It also makes Wikipedia run smoother. You are a vandal and a Moronator for NOT doing it..more of one, considering your history. Just type this ~ four times. 212.219.92.36 12:53, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Fine. Black Rhino Ranger 02:37, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Good. Dora Nichov 04:10, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Mammoth
Sorry to disturb this discussion page's petty squabbling, but I just wanted to point out that the mammoth isn't listed in the list of animals. You guys have yourself stated that it's confirmed but it's not there. I'm not an actual member of wikipedia so I'm not going to try and edit the page but I think that one of you guys, who seem to regularly haunt this page for a chance to snipe at each other, should.
It's NOT confirmed! Dora Nichov 02:30, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
And we don't 'haunt this page for a chance to snipe at each other', we patrol this page in case dumb vandals like the infamous Komodo Lover come along. Dora Nichov 02:31, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
The dodo and smilodon are confirmed by the box art why not the mammoth? When I say 'you guys have yourself stated that it's confirmed' I'm going by The Helper S's post under Problem with Confirmed Mammoth, which you didn't have a problem with. If I'm wrong don't change it but you can't deny that there is a source, except for the mouse that's on all the boxes there's never been an animal on the box that hasn't been in the game. Pentagram16 20:11, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
And you don't call this sniping: That's SOOOO annoying, YEAH!!, I can't beleive someone's requested a picture (if someone's not tuned in, it's not that big a deal), Yeah + Right (you responded twice to the same post, three days later, and no one had even said anything new), YES YES YES, Heck Yeah!, moronaters, THERE'S ALREADY A T-REX AVAILABLE!! Seriously, some people, Absolutely right!!!, READ THE DAMNED PRESS RELEASE (you guys could be civil you know), CP and CBFan are right, I have nothing more to say, Sign your blooming name properly, Stop acting so stupid and dumb and who knows what (the same goes for here), Sign your ruddy name properly!!, Eat your words. Press release, read it!, It's NOT confirmed! (ah my favourite, seeing as when The Helper S said it you didn't disagree).This just isn't the greatest example of civility, a little common courtesy isn't going to kill you, and posts that are only one or two words long are just a waste of eletricity and space. Pentagram16 20:11, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
P.S.: And before you say, well you're not being civil either (or being a hypocrite), just don't
Sigh.. How do we know the elephantid isn't a mastodon (which IS confirmed), huh? And at the time I agreed, we THOUGHT the mammoth would be in the EXP but now it's probably the mastodon. Plus 'YES YES YES' isn't even uncivil. And just stop trying to be an admin, Pentagram16! Either ignore us or stop being so sensitive. 'Absolutely right!!!', 'It's NOT confirmed!', etc aren't really uncivil either. Dora Nichov 00:41, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Okay, maybe I didn't start on the right foot with my spiel of uncivility so I'll just forget about it. But you still aren't acknowledging the box. 70.77.12.103 01:56, 4 July 2007 (UTC) (Oops I wasn't sighned in then, sorry) Pentagram16 15:03, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
I've already said: how do you know it's not a mastodon? You can't be 100% sure it's a mammoth. Dora Nichov 03:42, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
I know this will sound fairly sketchy but you can tell it isn't a mastodon by the tusks. Mastodons did look almost identical to mammoths but their tusks were almost completely horizontal while mammoth tusks had a strong curvature to them, like the tusks you can see on the box. I found this out on this page Mastodon. Pentagram16 14:56, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Now that I think about it this might also apply to the Mammoth/Mastodon Statue/Skeleton, I've never actually seen the video (it seems I don't have the proper version of flash and when I try to download it, it doesn't work). Pentagram16 15:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
I also think that the box art should be removed as one of the reasons that the mastodon is confirmed, seeing as we're having this controversy over whether or not it is a mammoth or a mastodon. Pentagram16 15:06, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
You have a point. The mastodon is confirmed while the mammoth is not, and although you might argue about the tusks ZT2 has been known to be wrong at times.. Dora Nichov 01:14, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
What do you mean it's been wrong before? I know I probably sound totally dense. Pentagram16 01:16, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
See here. Dora Nichov 03:34, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but that page is hopelessly inaccurate, it'll need adjusting. Whoever put it together has clearly never played ZT2 at all. 212.219.92.45 15:02, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Okay, very true. So what if we took this in a totally different direction? Do you think we could make a semi-confirmed list, as in confirmations that are under scrutiny? Or would that just be too confusing? It would still need reasons for confirmation, verifiable reasons, and would of course need strict monitoring against vandals (from what I've read on this page coug, cough, Bunny Beater/Komodo Lover/Black Rhino Ranger/Womcat/Snakezilla, cough). Pentagram16 04:06, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Maybe we should set it aside for now, as we can't be 100% sure. Dora Nichov 04:18, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I spotted a few differences between the mammoth and mastodon
Animals | Difference 1 | Difference 2 | Difference 3 |
---|---|---|---|
Mammoth | Tusks are more joined together | Has a huge hump | Large forehead |
Mastodon | Tusks are more seprated | Has a small hump | Small forehead |
Who posted this? 70.77.12.103 21:49, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Why is the mammoth in the same box as the mastodon? The mastodon was confirmed by the press release, so there isn't debate that there is a mastodon. Yet the mammoth is there to, and if its there at all it should be in a different box, we know there's a mastodon. Pentagram16 15:19, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Never Mind. 70.77.12.103 21:48, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Random Wonderings
Random Wondering 1: Do you think there will be any Pre-mezozoic animals, arthropleura, dimetrodon and the like?Random Wondering 2(which is even more useless): Do you think there will be any extinct ambient animals in the new EA maps, assuming there are any?Pentagram16 15:09, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Only one answer to both: 'probably'. Dora Nichov 00:13, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
- No, 'I doubt it'. The second one, 99.9% sure no. 1st, possible. This is an enclycopedia, not a forum. So if you want to help us improve the article, post your views. If you want to discuss the expansion itself, go to some Zoo Tycoon fansite or forum, or go to User talk:Cuddly Panda/Non wikipedia talk. --Cuddly Panda 07:56, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
In my defense I did say that they were useless. And the page is still screwed, what happened to it (I don't know how to fix it, I'd probably delete the thing)?
Sorry
I didn't mean to screw up the wikitable, i was trying to get rid of some Moronation. (Some guy said there was a Europe Lion and a Mammoth.)
Please forgive me. Dinoman96 12:02, 6 July 2007
So why are the lion and the mammoth still there? Pentagram16 15:16, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't know, and i'm not touching a wikitable again, so can anyone delete that, please? Dinoman96 16:39, 6 July 2007
Before the release was released
You use to comfirm the mammoth before the screenshots and release were released. Now all of you now think that the mastodon is in the box art but it is actually a mammoth. Nerd with tests 15:35, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Prove it. We thought it was a mammoth but now it's more likely a mastodon. Dora Nichov 01:02, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Looks more like a mammoth to me. Nerd with tests 02:06, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
So? Just because it looks like one does that mean it IS one? Dora Nichov 02:47, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
- I actually agree with Nerd with tests. --Cuddly Panda 07:57, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
I agree it looks more like a mammoth, but as we all know, ZT2 has been shown to be wrong at times.. Dora Nichov 11:22, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Like I've said before I think that it's a mammoth too, but I also agree with Dora that we can't be sure. See, this is why I proposed 'semi-confirmation'. Pentagram16 21:17, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Why is the Table Messed?
What happened to the table it is absolutely screwed up. Pentagram16 01:17, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
- Because some dumbass vandal screwed it up. Damn them. I'm putting a request to have this semi-protected. --Cuddly Panda 07:59, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Italics
Please only add italics to scientific names. 'Mammoth' and 'Dodo' are not a scientific names and so do not need to be italicated. 'Smilodon' and 'Tyrannosaurus rex' do. --Cuddly Panda 08:09, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Correct. Dora Nichov 09:03, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
While we're on the subject of scientific things, is there only one kind of dodo? I looked at the dodo page on wikipedia quickly but didn't really get a definitive answer. Pentagram16 01:37, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm just wondering for the sake of being more precise (if possible). Pentagram16 01:37, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
There's only one 'dodo', but there are similar species like the white dodo and the solitare. The EA one is definitely the regular dodo. Dora Nichov 02:31, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
- Untrue. There is the normal dodo from Mauritaus, and another species called the Indian dodo that became extinct centuries before the other. It lived in India. ----- Cuddly Panda (talk·contribs) review me! 01:32, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Um.. that was pretty much what I said. There are similar species, but EA's is the regular species. Dora Nichov 02:43, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Semi-protection (continued)
I requested page protection. I got it. The problem is, it's full protection. Now no one can edit it. Pooh! Well, never mind. No more monorators. It will last until August 10. --Cuddly Panda 13:47, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Good for you anyway! Dora Nichov 01:05, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Entertainer
When it says that the entertainer is either a smilodon or santa or whatever, is this meaning that we're not sure what exactly its dressed as? Pentagram16 01:46, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Correct. Dora Nichov 03:04, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, that is correct. Look at the video in detail and see for yourself. Everyone sees something different. --<nowiki></nowiki> <font face=Verdana color=F0F8FF>[[User:Cuddly Panda|Cuddly</font> Panda [[Image:Cuddly Panda Films Logo v2 (jpg).JPG|30px]] <small>[[User talk:Cuddly Panda|Blab]] <sup>([[User talk:Cuddly Panda/Non Wikipedia talk|Non-wiki]])</sup>]] 09:00, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I can't really see much when I look at the video, I see the entertainer do the backflip, but it's too dark to see what they really look like on my computer. Is it so dark for everyone? 70.77.12.103 15:00, 11 July 2007 (UTC)Yeah it is kinda dark for me and I thought it was dressed as a red panda or a red Mickey Mouse.Daman1234 15:07, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
- Mickey is copyrighted and isn't red. Santa. ----- Cuddly Panda (talk·contribs) review me! 01:36, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
It could be. But i don't see what that has anything to do with Prehistory. I think it's a Tiger. 64.118.238.102 17:31, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
New Screenshots Found
Hey, I just found a link on Zoo Admin on Vacation which had new screens of EA since E3 was around. Care to look at the link below? It looks like a giant ground sloth and a pic of the tranquilizer feature in action. Link Check them out..The Helper S 17:09, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
There's more than just a Megatherium (sloth). I think that the other animals in the first shot might be our mastodon, and there's some kind of weird rock-type things, the second one has some kind of pterosaur skeleton, and a prehistoric educator podium (I'm guessing), the third one seems to show what is probably the fossil digging, and the fourth is the tranquilizing (and who wants to bet that building that's shaped like a dna strand is the research lab?) So since the page is protected could we get an administrator to add this stuff? I don't get how to. Pentagram16 17:53, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I was looking at the shots again and noticed something weird, the sloth is in a grassland exhibit in the first pic, yet it's in a scrub exhibit in the next. Pentagram16 20:00, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, we need an update. Dora Nichov 02:31, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Wow, look at this: [9] Yup, there's Dimetrodon and Ankylosaurus!
PS: EA stuff is near the end.. at 2:04 to 2:11 Dora Nichov 02:47, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
And if you see here you can see there's a Stegosaurus! Dora Nichov 03:27, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Just saw the video, it looks pretty cool..and seriously this needs an update, as stated before. Hopefully an admin can help us on this btw Dora Nichov, where'd you find the updated boxart including the stegosaurus? The Helper S 06:16, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
- Funny how we needed this locked ages ago, and now when we need it unlocked we can't! ----- [[User:Cuddly Panda|<font face=Verdana color=F0F8FF>Cuddly</font> Panda <small>[[User talk:Cuddly Panda|Blab]] <sup>([[User talk:Cuddly Panda/Non Wikipedia talk|Non-wiki]])</sup> | [[Special:Contributions/Cuddly Panda|Contribs]] |]] 07:28, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Wow search zoo tycoon 2 extinct on youtube and you get a film about games for windows with mamoths, smilidons, ankylosourus and raptor like dinisours.
- In case you haven't noticed, idiot, that is written above. --<html>--- [[User:Cuddly Panda|<font face=Verdana color=F0F8FF>Cuddly</font> Panda <small>[[User talk:Cuddly Panda|Blab]] <sup>([[User talk:Cuddly Panda/Non Wikipedia talk|Non-wiki]])</sup> | [[Special:Contributions/Cuddly Panda|Contribs]] |</html>]] 08:50, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I found the updated boxart at the same site the new downloads were found. Just go to 'summary' and you'll find it. ;) And yeah, we REALLY need an update to add the Megatherium, Stegosaurus, Ankylosaurus and Dimetrodon. Yup, funny how we jsut protected it, then now we need un-protection. Dora Nichov 08:53, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Anyway, it's unprotected now, who will add them? (I'm not good at editing wikitables). Dora Nichov 14:51, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
They're on there, I still didn't know what the Megatherium's proper biome was though. Pentagram16 15:18, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Well it's great to hear that the newly revealed were added, but do you think we should put the updated boxart on the wiki page, or just keep it as-is until the official Zoo Tycoon site updates with the boxart themselves (as believed to do so, since they've done this previously with other expansions)? The Helper S 18:01, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
When I saw the Mastodon: I saw his tusks were straight. I told you they would be straight so mthe mammoth is comfined in the boxart. Komodo lover 2 02:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Wrong. You still can't confirm a thing. Dora Nichov 02:51, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
But I definitly saw the mastodons tusks quite straight. Komodo lover 2 02:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
You still can't say there's a mammoth. Dora Nichov 02:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
You just don't get it, There will be a mammoth in the game, I just know there will. That mastodon in the video has straight tusks, and in the boxart it's not a mastodon. the game is right and the box art is wrong so I win, It's a mammoth. Komodo lover 2 03:11, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
'I just know there will'!? What a lousy excuse. Shut up Komodo Lover. Dora Nichov 03:22, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Edit protected
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Shouldn't it be
Shouldn't it be that the smilodon should live in scrub forests like I see in walking with beasts. Komodo lover 2 01:42, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
There's more than one kind of smilodon (smilodon populator, smilodon floridus, smilodon calirfornicus etc.). Pentagram16 01:51, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
You know in walking with beasts, A megatherium can be seen in the scrub forests so Its proper biome is Scrub. Komodo lover 2 02:11, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
So? Just because it's scrub in real life doesn't mean it's scrub in the game! Dora Nichov 02:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
- How come you complain then? ----- Cuddly Panda (talk·contribs) 13:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)::Huh? Dora Nichov 00:29, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Just because it's biome in real life is scrub, doesn't mean it won't mind living in a grassland.Ornithomimus 13:06, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Megatherium isn't even in scrub in walking with beasts. Look at the picture on this page, [10], does that look like scrub to you? Pentagram16 14:21, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, that's grassland. I've another WWB pic in a book that shows it in savannah. Dora Nichov 00:29, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Yeah I've read that to, although I'm not sure if that isn't just dried out grassland. Pentagram16 00:55, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Possible. In any case, it's some sort of 'plain'. Dora Nichov 03:26, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
But the narator said scrub forest. 58.71.168.171 01:05, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
And? Who says an animal could only survive in one biome? Dora Nichov 13:11, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Yeah. In the game known as Zoo Tycoon 2, there are many things called compatible biomes. Like, the Anklyosaurus, it is shown in wetlands, but that's probably not it's real biome. GrimpyNZ 18:24, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
I thought there was going to be saber toothed cats in south america, 1000000 years ago. Gigatron 20:58, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Lockup
I think we're done, this can be relocked now. ----- Cuddly Panda (talk·contribs) 13:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Dimetrodon?
Could our 'dimetrodon' actually be an edaphosaurus? They look really similar and you can't really tell in the video. Pentagram16 17:16, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
-Look closely..there's meat in the exhibit. That's the one key difference between the two. Unless it's a mixed exhibit, of course. CBFan 17:25, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
I forgot one was herbivorous. Pentagram16 17:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, there's meat, so it's Dimetrodon. 00:28, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
- I'd add that note in anyway. ----- Cuddly Panda (talk·contribs) 00:55, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Done. I still think it's a Dimetrodon, but added Edaphosaurus similarities. Dora Nichov 03:26, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
T-rex, Tyrannosaurus or Tyrannosaurus rex?
You know in a screen shot with the t-rex, a Tyrannosaurus rex word can be seen on the dart when you aim the trex so you shold add in Tyrannosaurus rex and a dodo was also comfirned in the same screenshot on the top note. Rhinoceratops 07:21, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
We KNOW the Dodo is confirmed, we knew it from the moment we saw the boxart. We've already added Tyrannosaurus as well. They wouldn't do two of the same animal. You're Komodo Lover, you'll be reported. CBFan 09:22, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
You know in one of the screenshots, a row of dinosaur fences from Dino Danger can be seen. Rhinoceratops 10:10, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
![Zoo tycoon 2 building mods Zoo tycoon 2 building mods](/uploads/1/2/3/7/123701326/438093653.jpg)
I just reported you as a sockpuppet. Good bye. Dora Nichov 13:31, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
- And they're completely new fences, Komodo Lover. ----- Cuddly Panda (talk·contribs) 13:43, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Should we add those in and replace tyrannosaurus to tyrannosaurus rex because that's what said in Dino Danger. 58.71.168.171 01:14, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
And? Dora Nichov 01:44, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Baby Tyrannosaur
The so-called 'baby' Tyrannosaurus in the second video I beleive is a fully grown male. ----- Cuddly Panda (talk·contribs) 13:47, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't think so, going by the height of the people in the shots it isn't. Because if you look in the second video the people seem to come up to something like its shoulder while in the tranquilizing screenshot the person only comes up to its knee (I do realize its a kid but still). And how do you know its a male? Pentagram16 13:56, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
- In the Dino Danger Pack the male was green, and much smaller than the female. Plus, we're talking about a taller guy and shorter kid. Go figure. ----- Cuddly Panda (talk·contribs) 00:25, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Sorry to burst your bubble, the Male T-rex was small, but it wasn't that small. Dinoman96 00:40, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I was unblocked. Yay! Now I can point out that I don't have the DD pack so I didn't know and that the 'baby' is fully rearing up and the adult comes to its shoulder, while the kid is up to the other t-rex's knee when it's kind of crouching so even if an adult were twice the kids size (which is kind of overreaching) they would only come up to about that t-rex's hip if it were rearing up. Pentagram16 19:59, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
New Information
Zoo Tycoon 2: Extinct Animals Company LineCompany Line -- This Content Was Not Created By GameSpotPosted Jul 11, 2007 3:45 pm PT'Zoo Tycoon 2: Extinct Animals,' the biggest expansion pack to date for the hugely popular, award-winning 'Zoo Tycoon 2,' lets gamers bring animals that once roamed the Earth back to life. With new challenges and more than 30 new animals, players can create environments the creatures once lived in and learn about times that date back to the Ice Age.
Features:
Impressive never-before-seen animals. 'Zoo Tycoon 2: Extinct Animals' features more than 30 new animals, ranging from the adorable dodo bird to the dangerous saber-toothed cat, and more than 10 new dinosaurs, such as the T. rex and stegosaurus, for the ultimate zoo experience. New gameplay. With exciting new ways to play, 'Zoo Tycoon 2: Extinct Animals' challenges players to recover escaped dinosaurs, with the new first-person tranquilizer mode. Players can also search for hidden fossils around the zoo, build animal fossils and create new extinct animals in the Extinct Research Lab. A whole new look. Aspiring paleontologists can now customize their zoos with new maps and extinct-themed buildings such as the Extinct Research Lab, Fossil Education Center and Cave Painting Hall. Other extinct-themed objects are new foliage, glaciers, cavemen and a brachiosaurus slide for kids. New characters. Paleontologists are available to help gamers look for fossils, while entertainers dress in costumes, perform shows and keep guests happy. Interactive educational entertainment. Children and parents can broaden their knowledge of the animal kingdom to improve their zookeeping skills. The exclusive Zoopedia, with excerpts from Encarta, as first introduced in 'Zoo Tycoon 2,' provides interesting facts, allowing gamers to uncover each animal's specific dietary and habitat needs. Easy to learn and play. 'Zoo Tycoon 2: Extinct Animals' seamlessly integrates with 'Zoo Tycoon 2' so gamers can play immediately. An interactive tutorial teaches players how to build and manage the ultimate zoo. Zoomanj 18:46, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
- Old news. ----- Cuddly Panda (talk·contribs) 00:41, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- Soory Cuddly the cave painting hall, brachiosaurus slide,glaciers and fossil education centre was not on the page. Should we add? Reply Cuddly please. ----- Zoomanj 06:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- Yes. And don't called me Cuddly. Cudddly Panda, CP or just Panda. but not Cuddly. And you kinda bug me to do stuff, too.----- Cuddly Panda (talk·contribs) 01:52, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I wont edit the page, only ask a question or two on disscusin. Trying to help you guys.Zoomanj 05:54, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
What?
What the heck happened to the pictures!? 64.118.238.102 19:24, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh Wait, hafe of my internet is down. 64.118.238.102 19:28, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Beta test - not real don't panic
I have searched for the beta test for extinct and am almost there. I have to waite a day or two to see if I can get my hands on it. I will keep you guys posted and tell you how to get it if I can.Zoomanj 21:04, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Is there really a beta test? Or are you just lying? Cuddly Panda, what do you think? Dinoman96 00:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Zoo Tycoon 2 Animal Downloads Sites
- Why do you want my opinion? I think he's lying. Give me a link and I'll beleive. He's probably trying to get attention or try to be 'cool' by lying. It's happened on other sites with other games, and will again. I'm checking ZT.com as I spe..type. ----- Cuddly Panda (talk·contribs) 01:35, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I think he's lying. Dora Nichov 01:43, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I am not saying I have it I am just saying im looking. Microsoft.com will email me soon.
I sent this to the support page on the microsoft webpage:
Dear MicrosoftI am enquiring about the game zoo tycoon 2 extinct animals.Will you ever offer beta tests. I would apritiate a yes or no answer.
They replied:
Hello, Thank you for contacting Microsoft Online Customer Service. I understand that you would like to know if you could beta test the Zoo Tycoon 2 Extinct Animals. I am currently coordinating with the appropriate Microsoft team regarding your concern. As soon as I can obtain additional information, I will promptly reply to your message. Typically, we hear from them in 24 to 72 hours, but it all depends on the complexity of the issue.Thank you, Leonard Microsoft Online Customer Service Representative
P.S sorry I annoyed anyone, just trying to help:).Zoomanj 05:43, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
- So you em@iled Microsoft to ask if you could BETA test a game? Case closed. They'll say no. ----- Cuddly Panda (talk·contribs) 07:28, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Yes I am a bit stupid but I only want to know if they are doing a beta test. It would be better if one of the makers of this article did the test, then the info can be put on wiki.Zoomanj 08:51, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Looks like no. Irrelevant. Dora Nichov 11:21, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
- I created this article. Even if someone did get a BETA test job, it would be illegal to put the contents on this page. You would be breaking the law. Blue Fang will not let you test just for asking. Just wait. ----- Cuddly Panda (talk·contribs) review me! 05:21, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Zoo Admin
Zoo Admin is back. here's the internet address [11].Patrickstar2 13:27, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Nothing. Says 404 error. Dora Nichov 13:30, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh, wait, I fixed it for you. But that's the old ZA. There's nothing there. The new ZA is the one we need, but it's down. Dora Nichov 13:32, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh sorry I didn't know it was empty. but I'll tell you when it's not empty anymore.-Patrickstar2 12:07, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Fair use rationale
For all game screenshots, boxarts and banners, add the {{Non-free media rationale}} template to the image and fill in the details. I have done some of them, you guys can do the rest. And the next comment should always have : before the comment, to seperate it. ----- Cuddly Panda (talk·contribs) review me! 02:34, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Hmmmm..
I've been thinking, is the Dimetrodon on of the Twelve Dinosaurs in the game? Well, IMO, Dimetrodon is not really a Dinosaur, but it's also not a Recently or an Ice Age creature. Dinoman96 15:07, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Animals did exist before the Dinosaurs, you know. CBFan 19:48, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
That's true. Paleozoic! Dora Nichov 00:35, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I know. But i thought it was just Ice age animals and Dinosaurs in the game. 64.118.238.102 01:17, 20 July 2007 (UTC) (I'm Dinoman, forgot that i wasn't logged in.)
Well, the dodo is neither. Dora Nichov 02:18, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Who said it was just ice age and dinosaurs anyway. Along with the dodo fact, the game is just called extinct animals, so any extinct animals could be in it. Pentagram16 17:47, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Right. Dora Nichov 00:32, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
I've also been thinking, If the box art said over 30 animals and the release said more than a dozen dinosaurus, Should the mean EA has 31 or more animals including 13 or more dinosaurs. Gigatron 16:47, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
Unlock this please
Can any of you please unlock this page because I wanted to add in something, the * means its new
Can I please add them in. 202.151.193.22 12:56, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Half of that has already been added. Why you want to add something that has already been added is beyond me. Also, I'd like to point out that if you post 'It could be this, it could be that', thats called 'Vandalising'. We're lucky that the thread is blocked against Komodo Lover as it is. Also, the Pygmy Mammoth can not be a baby mammoth for two reasons..it has tusks (and baby mammoths did not have them) and there are two different models (male and female).
Zoo Tycoon 2 has made mistakes before, just because baby mammoths didn't have them in real life doesn't mean they will in the game. And putting a note in that it's possible that it isn't what we think it is isn't vandalism when we're talking about an upcoming game that hasn't been released, we cannot be sure. We have a note that the dimetrodon could be an edaphosaurus, that isn't vandalism, why not say that it could be a baby mammoth. I say put it in. Pentagram16 00:59, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Because we KNOW it can't be a baby mammoth..it has tusks. Yes, we know that 'ZT2 has made mistakes before', but did any of THEIR baby elephants have tusks? Either species? No. Not even the baby mammoth in ZT1 had tusks. Thereby, it is obviously NOT a baby mammoth. CBFan 07:49, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
You're just being unreasonable, and stubborn. We cannot be sure. Pentagram16 20:56, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
We cannot be sure that the 'Woolly' Mammoth IS a Woolly Mammoth, but we do. In this case, however, we have proof. YOU find a baby Elephant (about the same age as the ZT2 ones) with tusks, THEN come and speak to me. It is NOT a baby Mammoth, and ZT1 is proof of that. CBFan 21:02, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
You are being absolutely rididiculous, you have a horrible argument. We are not talking about elephants, we are talking about the possibility that it is a mammoth or a mastodon which would really make more sense seeing as it looks more like the mastodon. And ZT1 is proof of nothing the EA smilodon differs from that of ZT1, why not other things? Pentagram16 21:09, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
No, you are just being stupid. You clearly are not reading a single thing I have written. The baby Elephant (of both species) in ZT2 does not have tusks, so it is highly unlikely that the baby Mastodon/Mammoth does have tusks. I mean, seriously..how could a female animal give birth to a baby with tusks!? The one in the picture does, so that makes being a baby next to impossible. Besides, the Elephant doesn't even look hairy. And what does the Smilodon have to do with anything? It isn't an Elephant, and the cubs have not been seen yet. CBFan 21:55, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
You are treating this like a joke, Wikipedia deserves better that to have such narrow-minded users. And obviously you aren't reading what I'm saying, I mentioned the smilodon to disprove your former argument about ZT1. And your argument about a mother not being able to conceive a child with tusks is useless, we cannot be sure. So stop being thick headed and face the common sense. Pentagram16 22:37, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
I AM using common sense..you're the one who thinks it possible that a baby elephant would have tusks. The Smilodon has nothing to do with the discussion, especially as we have yet to see the cubs. The elephant has tusks and it does not look hairy at all. Will you stop posting and just accept the facts. PROVE that it IS a baby Mammoth or Mastodon, THEN we'll listen. I have posted my proof, you've just insisted it is because you say so. That's something Komodo Lover would do. CBFan 14:48, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh, my god. You are some ten year old idiot who decided they know everything and is now tirading around wikipedia. Need I point out that you have been blocked and warned of being blocked for exactly this kind of behaviour. I am not arguing proof, I am arguing a lack of proof. I understand that there is no proof to say it is a baby mammoth/mastodon, but the evidence to the contrary is worthless. It does not matter that in real life a mammoth/mastodon couldn't give birth to a baby with tusks, we are talking about a video game, it is possible that it is a baby mammoth/mastodon. We would not be saying, this is a baby mammoth/mastodon, we would be saying that it is possible that we are mistaken about the content of a photograph that we can't fully confirm due to the fact that we are merely interpreting the image, it isn't entirely possible to prove either way. I do agree it seems more likely that it is a pygmy mammoth (if you measure the ratio between the megatherium and the elephantid creature in the picture it's just right for a pygmy mammoth) but I also find it unlikely that three such similar creatures (mammoth, mastodon and pygmy mammoth) would all be released in one expansion. Pentagram16 16:32, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
P.S.: I am not like Komodo Lover just because you're too stupid to accept that we aren't certain.
Please do note, you are the only person actively insulting someone here. Do you seriously think I'm willing to listen to you if you call me 'A 10 year old idiot'? I have posted proof of it not being a baby Mammoth/Mastodon, several times. You have screamed 'NO, IT DOESN'T COUNT, YOU IDIOT!', yet you have provided no evidence on the contary of this. All you've done is screamed 'IT IS A BABY MAMMOTH/MASTODON BECAUSE I SAY SO!! YOU'RE WRONG, I'M RIGHT!! YOU'RE AN IDIOT!!' I am not willing to listen to you when you are speaking out of your age line. I have given MY side of the argument (the creature has tusks, and does not look very hairy), you have yet to give me yours. All you've done so far is scream and insult me. All that we are not certain about is what it actually is. Why don't you go and buttock the members of Zoo Admin, THEY agree that it is not a baby Mammoth/Mastodon.
P.S. I have not been blocked or warned of being blocked for this kind of behaviour before, I was blocked because of 3RR's (which was not entirely my fault), something we are not doing. So that means you're screaming, insulting me and telling lies about me. You need to calm down.
P.P.S. Your comment about three Elephantids is nothing new, and not impossible. After all, we have two giraffes and two turtles. CBFan 17:25, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
I am only insulting you because you aren't listening and I am becoming increasingly exasperated. I agree, it looks like a pygmy mammoth. But this is a digitally rendered image, not an actual photograph of something that actually exists. Therefore we are interpreting an image rendered by an animator. As it to some degree resembles a number of things, we are not properly authorized to definitively state what the animator who has rendered this digital image intended that which we are interpreting to be. Scientific fact is to some degree irrelevant due to the fact that this image is digitally rendered. Okay, did I spell my argument out well enough for you? Or are you just going to dismiss what I've been saying all along, again. Pentagram16 16:38, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
P.S.: I also realize there is more than one of a number of similar animals, however in all but the case of the turtle they are from different expansions.
..OK, that makes no sense whatsoever. All your little thingie is saying is that we don't know whether or not it is a Dwarf Elephant or a Pygmy Mammoth..which is true. Otherwise, you're still missing the point completely. However, I am still not screaming at you or insulting you. Why you seem to think I am the only person who thinks that it is a different species is beyond me, personally.P.S.: What is with doing the PS's after the sig? CBFan 17:22, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Okay, first off, who cares how I put my PS? Second off, when did I ever say that I thought that you are the only person who thinks it's a different species? I've said numerous times that I think it looks more like a pygmy mammoth too: 'I do agree it seems more likely that it is a pygmy mammoth (if you measure the ratio between the megatherium and the elephantid creature in the picture it's just right for a pygmy mammoth), I agree, it looks like a pygmy mammoth'. But we are interpreting an image. This image bears resemblance to more than one thing. So we can't definitively say what this image is meant to depict. Therefore it is possible that this image is depicting a baby mammoth/mastodon, although it is much more likely a pygmy mammoth. So since it is possible that we are mistaken, despite the fact that it is (as I agree) much more likely to be a pygmy mammoth, we should note, that it is possible albeit unlikely that the confirmation method we are using is actually depicting something else. Pentagram16 20:00, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Got your message, and now that we've sussed things out, we'll leave this be. The best thing to do now is wait until BF give us information. Then we'll see what the elephantid is made of, so to speak. CBFan 18:28, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
BF? I know I probably sound totally dense. Pentagram16 20:21, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Blue Fang. The creator of the ZT series, and everything to do with it. CBFan 20:44, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Right. Pentagram16 00:02, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
New Staff
In the game there is an entertainer that from what I read no one knows what its costume is?So my question is what is it, a santa entertainer, a red panda entertainer, or something else???
We don't really know, it's kind of dark in the video that shows it. At least, I can't discern anything. Pentagram16 02:06, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Neither can I, it's not dark, but it's too blurry. Dora Nichov 05:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, it's dark for me (maybe it's my computer). But the point is we still can't see anything. We'll update it as soon as we have a proper source. Pentagram16 16:44, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Dido -Patrickstar2 04:48, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Buildings etc.
Did we take out the buildings/scenery and whatever else for a reason? Or was it a vandal? Or is my computer just wonky? Pentagram16 16:46, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
It's certainly not your computer being wonky. CBFan 18:27, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
- It was me. Non-notable. See the wikipedia policies. I'm Cuddly P on holiday.
cave men
does anyone think that the cave men could be one of the animals released in the pack.ironman33 Ironman33 20:50, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Unlikely. Dora Nichov 10:59, 30 July 2007 (UTC)There is a possiblity even though that would rock if it is.Daman1234 14:03, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
They would be hard to contain because of there intelligence,but that would be fun trying to contain them.Ironman33 15:35, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Unless there will be a primate fence in the game that no primate can get out of.Daman1234 18:06, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
possibly,but an eletric or high concrete wall would be more appropriate.(what i meant by hard to control was the fact they could start fires and sharpen sticks).Ironman33 20:03, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
There can be a fire-proof fences that no fire can touche so that the cavemen get burnt for trying and can't get out if they climb.Daman1234 15:41, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
The cavemen are probably just the staff of some of the new prehistoric themed buildings. For example, the staff member in front of the prehistoric gift cart looks like a caveman. Pentagram16 20:30, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
If they were one of the animals released in the pack it would be kind of creepy, do to the fact that they’re humans to. Dinoman96 11:36, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
it would be scary but if you could contain them they could be educational for your guests Ironman33 17:47, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
I still think it's the staff, because we know there are cavemen staff. It would be seriously strange to have cavemen in cages as well as acting as staff members. Pentagram16 17:49, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
they could be actors that put on plays to entertain your guests. Ironman33 18:06, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, but that is just complete speculation, there's no evidence behind it. Pentagram16 21:09, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
yeah, i suppose so but its just a thought. Ironman33 11:10, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
They could be a staff member, who care for extinct animals.
Stop saying it could be this or that or the other thing, that is speculation. You need some kind of proof. Not 'They could be'. Pentagram16 03:14, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thats true,no one has a clue Ironman33 14:12, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Dodo
Can it be possible that the Dodo bird could have both of the colors on the boxarts, one for the female and one for the male or both colors on both genders maybe????? Daman1234 14:14, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
its possible because other animals have variant skins,but it could also be young and adult variantsIronman33 15:30, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
It's more likely that the dodo was just updated, because there are a few key differences between the two sets of boxart: stegosaurus, egg that the dodo's on. Pentagram16 17:47, 31 July 2007 (UTC)I saw the new trailer and it is going to be blue.Daman1234 22:25, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
The yellow skin may be a varient. Or there could be sexual diformision (sp?) GrimpyNZ 18:09, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Spam
This is NOT a discussion forum for the game. Its a discussion article for article improvement. So DON'T DISCUSS WISHLISTS OR GUESSSES HERE! If you must do it on Wiki, do it @ User talk:Cuddly Panda/Non Wikipedia talk. This was CP logged out on holiday.
Maybe
Could it be possible that Blue Fang Games made Dino Danger Pack as an experiment to see if people would want an extinct animals expansion pack???Daman1234 15:22, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Unless BF said that officially it's completely irrelevant. Pentagram16 16:39, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Agree. Dora Nichov 00:28, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
Objects list
A list of animals is fair enough, but a list of buildings goes past WP:NOT. Do not re-add it. ----- Cuddly Panda (talk·contribs) review me! 09:20, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Pygmy mammoth?
That small mammoth could be a dwarf elephant? Gigatron 15:18, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
- No. And stop spamming. ----- Cuddly Panda (talk·contribs) review me! 15:33, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
But it looks extacully like a dwark elephant, i looked in to a DK book and saw the picture and I had another look in the screen shots and it did not have hair and I only came here once. Gigatron 16:37, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
You are Komodo Lover. Go away. CBFan 10:53, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
I also think that is a dwarf elephant, can you replace the pygmy mammoth to dwarf elephant. 82.17.141.54 20:47, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
a note
I hope I got the animal list from ' unlock this please ' (in this talk page) right. - Patrickstar2 15:34, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
You added things to that? No, you spelled things wrong, messed the talk page up for a while, and where are you getting those animals from? Pentagram16 16:37, 12 August 2007 (UTC)Yeah is there another new video that no one has found yet???Daman1234 22:33, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
No, User:202.151.193.22 wrote it and got from somewhere not me. Patrickstar2 07:30, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Velociraptor
It is confirmed! You can see 'You have uncovered a fosillised piece of the Velociraptor!' in infobox in the trailer.
where did you get this information Ironman33 14:10, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Someone on a fan site somehow made the infoboxes clear and found that message. Dora Nichov 12:48, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Is it one of the fansites we have listed? Pentagram16 16:03, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
I have posted the full list at Zoo Tycoon Volcano, Zoo Admin, Mysterious Map Marvels forums, and the official zoo tycoon forums. The new trailer includes showing a Brachiosaurus. GrimpyNZ 07:17, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Gigantopithecus
In the newest video, if paused when showing the dodos in their exhibit, you can see the Gigantopithecus. It is in trop. rainforest. GrimpyNZ 06:13, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Antarctic dinos?
Do any of you know any dinosaur species in antarctica I could add?
what does that have to do with the game Ironman33 21:33, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
So far no Antarctic dinosaur is known to be in the game. Dora Nichov 00:23, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
??
I'm not sure but in Walking with dinosaurs, the dinosaurs that live in Antartica are Leananllyasaura (spell it please), dwarf allosaur, koolusuchus and muttaburrasaurus
Koolasuchus is not even a dinosaur, besides none of those are confirmed. Dora Nichov 12:29, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Quagga
I Heard rummors of the quagga being on the animal list. The quagga is a zebra like creature that lives in the savannas of africa. Later on in life the quagga was hunted to extinction by humans. do any of youknow about this rumur?!
No, the quagga is not confirmed. Dora Nichov 07:35, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
yes it is not confirmed and there is a screenshot read Article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.218.9.53 (talk) 23:51, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
When I posted that it wasn't confirmed, silly. Dora Nichov 02:40, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Sivatherium
Who put it on that list?? It says there is a new screenshot, but I cant find it..
It's true. Dora Nichov 07:35, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Could you please give a link to the screenshot? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 189.12.74.187 (talk) 13:12:08, August 19, 2007 (UTC)
It's True? Where's this picture? Dinoman96 14:50, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
It is on the Games For Windows site. GrimpyNZ 16:48, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Hey can some one give me the link to the video where it shows the stegosaur in Tropical Rainforest?Dinomaster30 02:09, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Dora Nichov's right, here is the link to the photo. Dinomaster30, the video with the stegosaur is the main trailer on the article (well I'm pretty sure, I've seen that trailer only once) THS | (Talk) 02:35, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks but ive already watched every trailer on the page and couldent find it.Dinomaster30 12:26, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Uh..I think you got Confused with the Kentrosaurus. Dinoman96 18:17, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
No I wasn't confused, I had just seen on the list where it said that the stegosaur was in Trop. Rainforest and was just makeing sure that it was in that biome. I'll delete it then.Dinomaster30 19:49, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Don't delete it. One of the messages on the infobar in the trailer is 'Stegosaurus 1 has grown from young to adult' —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GrimpyNZ (talk • contribs) 17:15, August 23, 2007 (UTC).
I ment just change the biome, plus why would i delete the stegosaur? after all It's on the box art.Dinomaster30 21:49, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Mammoth
What happened to the Wooly Mammoth in the confirmed list???Daman1234 14:01, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Thats what i thought,but it might be because the mastadon is the mammoth Ironman33 15:26, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- I think it's real. Put it back. ----- Cuddly Panda (talk·contribs) review me! 01:29, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
There is no proof of that the mammoth is in the game, you all win. 84.13.179.46 15:26, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Deinonychus
Is it true? Please someone tell me where is the screenshot? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.8.121.209 (talk) 16:37, August 23, 2007 (UTC)
The screenshots can be found at this link: [12]GrimpyNZ 17:13, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Whats going on with the wikipedia page? The bottom part of the page is all messed up, can someone please fix it
Screenshots
where are the screenshots for the the last two animals?68.145.77.173 22:56, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Keith from Blue Fang is doing weekly updates every Wednesday for EA on Zoo Admin, the thread for it can be found here. THS | (Talk) 23:05, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Deinusuchus
The deinusuchus in the screenshot might only be a baby because its only as big as the nile crocodile Ironman33 19:16, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
ya thats what I thought to because it is like half the size it should be compared to a little girl or it could be like the whale shark witch grows twice its length over time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brachioman (talk • contribs) 19:43, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
It's got spikes on it, That looks weird, It might be a different croc because that can't be a deinosuchus. 87.113.195.150 17:03, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Which proves you haven't read anything BF have posted for us. It IS a Deinosuchus, and we have proof of it. CBFan 14:12, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Two new dinosaurs in trailer
I saw two extra dinosaurs not far away for the kentrosaurus and styrachosaurus scene, one is black and might be the velociraptor and the other is blue and pur[le and it had a bone head so it might be the Pachycephalosaurus. honestly, I definetly saw them they were at the other side of the river. Just pause the video in the beggining of the part with the styrachosaurus and kentrosaurus and look at the other side of the river and you will see two new dinosaurs. Gigatron 20:30, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
If it's might, take it as a no. Dora Nichov 12:12, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
animals
Let's wait untill the expasion pack is released, don't edit the animal section again. Gigatron 11:01, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
The information exists. It's better this way.Eriorguez 12:24, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Alpine Animals?
So far i have seen no animals in the list that are alpine biome.where are the extinct alpine animals? please just give me a list of prehistoric anlpine animals that could possibly be in the game.Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.218.9.53 (talk) 22:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
The thing is, there isn't sedimentation in mountains to bury the remains, so it's rare to find a fossil of an alpine animal. Some scientists belive Pachycephalosaurs were alpine animals, but it's not absolute.Eriorguez 17:12, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Even so there were alpine animals not just dinos.In the Jurassic period in china the mountains were snow covered and cold for most dinosaurs which lived in the warm dense forests surrounding them. On the mountain slopes there was primative mamals but there was something else that lived there.There were fossils of a dinosaur up in one of the mountain riverbeds the dinosaur was completly built for climbing on rocky or ridged areas and was said to possibly have the ability to surrvive the cold tempertures of the alpine and even walk on snow! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.218.9.53 (talk) 21:06, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
I found the name of your dinosaur! it was called Xiaosaurus and was supposidly lived on slopes and peaks of the mountain range.it was a meating one two and would also probbly walked on snow.i found one of my own to. i do not know the name of it yet but i will find it. it lived in the Alps and was small and meat eating and lived on the brushy areas of the alps.
Xiaosaurus was an herbivore.. Dora Nichov 01:24, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Sorry my mistake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.218.9.53 (talk) 23:47, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
can someone find the name of the alp dinosaurs? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.218.9.53 (talk) 00:28, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
i just wat to know this one thing what are the possible alpine animals
Who says there HAVE to be alpine animals? CBFan 14:35, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
There doesen't have to be i'm just saying it would be cool if they had alpine dinosaurs or something. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.218.9.53 (talk) 22:51, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Animals
I don't get it will this game have 30 Animals or over 30 Animals because in the article it says with a total of 30 animals on the box it says over 30 Animals. I'm confused.68.145.77.173 04:01, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
They always say 'Over' in the title description, and a lot of the time, the number after the over IS the exact answer. Of course, we won't know for sure until the game comes out. One thing that can be said with confidence is that there will be AT LEAST 30 animals. CBFan 16:22, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Animal names
In future, display animal names as they are in-game. If it is called bush-antlered deer, write it as bush antlered deer. ----- Cuddly Panda (talk·contribs) review me! 09:28, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, Even change the smilodon to saber tooth cat and tyranosaurus to tyrannosaurus rex —Preceding unsigned comment added by White rhino ranger (talk • contribs) 09:03, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
I agree this time, but when referring to them elsewhere it would be more encyclopedic to use the real names. Dora Nichov 12:18, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Wooly Mammoth
It isnt confirmed, so take it out of the list. The differences between the elephant in the box cover and the mastodon in the video arent enought evidence to confirm a mammoth. Someone out there just likes the mammoth too much and wants to force it on the list-201.32.158.58 16:26, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, that someone is named Komodo Lover..no matter what name appears. CBFan 17:34, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Come on, someone take the mammoth out, please 201.32.165.61 00:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
NO! If they want the mammoth then they'll have the mammoth. leave it alone. 87.113.195.150 17:55, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
That's like saying if you want to ruin Wikipedia then ruin it. Shut up, Komodo Lover. Dora Nichov 12:19, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Well, I dont want a mammoth!!!theres no evidence at all of a mammoth!!! please, someone with authority, take it out. 189.13.174.196 12:36, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Yes but everyine knows that the mammoth is one of the most famous of all extinct animals. Blah yap dribble 13:20, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
And? That's no excuse. Dora Nichov 14:10, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Didn't you read above the one that said mammoth. They all now know that is a mammoth, the nippled tooth would not be in the box art because the mammoth has a huge hump and corkscrew shaped tusks. Blah yap dribble 21:45, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
This isnt enought evidence to confirm a mammoth. I, for one, think that the animal in the cover is the mastodon. 189.13.174.196 22:05, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
That was you who insisted there was a Mammoth, Komodo Lover. ONLY you. Nobody else. Besides, you can't even SEE the teeth. CBFan 07:06, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
All the animals have been confirmed, no mammoth. Dora Nichov 11:06, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Archive?
I think we should archive this. So much speculation and stuff happens it all gets stacked up annoyingly. --JohnVMaster 04:09, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
PROBLEM ON SITE
some person has messed around with the page and I gessing it is a 10 year old or something--Brachioman 19:24, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
- Everyone's messing with the page. And what's wrong with being 10? I'm 11 (nearly 12) and am I a vandal? ----- Cuddly Panda (talk·contribs) review me! 09:23, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
no thats not not what I ment.(I am 12)am not saying that kids under the age of 13 are delinqunints,Im just saying it was probalby a person who didnt know what they were doing and I didnt mean to offend anyone around that age and I meant somebody jumbled everything up(probably by accident). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brachioman (talk • contribs) 20:20, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Moa
When was the moa confirmed? Pentagram16 17:40, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, And why did replace the utahraptor. 87.113.195.150 17:53, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
I bet its komodo lover who did that to get revenge. dont worry,ill fix it.brachioman 4:17 16 september 2007 (UTC)
BIG EA Update
They have finally added the EA page to the Zoo Tycoon site! The animals look amazing! Here's a link! I'm so EXCITED! I'm gonna update the main page now.. THS | (Talk) 23:38, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Minigames
On the official site, it says that there are 5 minigames: Fossil-Finding Minigame, Fossil Building Minigame, Extinct Animal Creation Game, Dinosaur Rampage Minigame, and Disease Curing Minigame. 203.109.187.164 17:29, 20 September 2007 (UTC) (GrimpyNZ logged out)
Biomes
Someone messed with the biomes: the maston is boreal,not tundra; the deinosuchus is tropical rainforest; and sivatherium was pictured in savanna, not in grassland. 201.32.174.53 12:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Also, there is a screenshot with the diprotodon on wetlands, in the fansit kit. And if look at the Pink Elephant Disease, you will notice that the bluebuck is in a grassland exhibit. 201.32.174.53 12:51, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Fixed it.Dinomaster30 21:41, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Archive
I beleive we should archive this talk page; it is getting very long and stupid people keep asking about the game and not the article. ----- Cuddly Panda (talk·contribs) review me! 01:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
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Walking with Dinosaurs (1999) is a BBCSpeculative Documentary series focusing on.. well.. dinosaurs, using state-of-the-art CGI to recreate Mesozoic life. It was narrated by Kenneth Branagh, and is the first entry in the Walking with Dinosaurs franchise.
Six episodes present six different parts of the reign of the dinosaurs - from their birth in the Triassic Period, to their extinction. These episodes are:
- New Blood: (220 MYA, Arizona) The age of the mammal-like reptiles such as Placerias and Postosuchus is coming to an end. In their place, the dinosaurs have evolved. The episode focuses on a female Coelophysis who must endure a severe drought that tests who will remain to claim the Earth.
- Time of the Titans: (152 MYA, Colorado) The Jurassic plains of Colorado are teeming with giant sauropods and theropod dinosaurs. A female Diplodocus must struggle to survive the many dangers that plague her and her siblings as they mature to adulthood, where they are destined to join a herd of their own kind.
- Cruel Sea: (149 MYA, Oxfordshire) In the Jurassic Period, much of Europe was reduced to an ocean with scattered islands. A new brood of Opthalmosaurus take refuge in a coral reef after their birth, but they must remain cautious, because a gigantic Liopleurodon is preying on predator and prey alike.
- Giant of the Skies: (127 MYA, the Americas and Europe) At the dawn of the Cretaceous Period, an elderly Ornithocheirus embarks on a world-spanning journey to his old breeding grounds in Europe for the annual courtship. On his way, he encounters massive herds of Iguanodon, hungry packs of Utahraptor, and an unforeseen adversary that is an omen of the all-too-rapidly approaching future.
- Spirits of the Ice Forest: (106 MYA, Antarctica) In the mid-Cretaceous, Antarctica was not the frozen hellhole we know it as today; dinosaurs survived there year-round. A clan of Leallynasaura spends the spring and summer breeding, until an unforeseen tragedy cripples them on the eve of the approaching Antarctic winter.
- Death of a Dynasty: (65 MYA, Montana) It is the end of the Cretaceous Period, and while the dinosaurs are still around, they find themselves in decline as their planet begins to suffocate them to extinction. As their world is on the brink of collapse, a female Tyrannosaurus attempts to start a new clutch of eggs, but even her ferocity is no match for the dinosaurs' nemesis that arrives from space.
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- Adaptation Expansion: The accompanying book Walking with Dinosaurs: A Natural History contains a lot of additional information about geography of the world dinosaurs lived in, elaborates on some speculative concepts only briefly mentioned in the TV series, and introduces new ones. The book even introduced some creatures that weren't shown in the TV series.
- Adapted Out: For obvious reasons, a lot of animals had to be adapted out of the arena spectacular, but it's noteworthy in that it cuts four of the eight protagonist animals out of the story: Coelophysis, Diplodocus, Liopleurodon and Leallynasaura. Coelophysis actually gets replaced by Liliensternus.
- All There in the Manual: More than a few species not named in the TV show appear in the aforementioned book.
- Always a Bigger Fish: Happens on several occasions. Perhaps the most memorable of which was the huge marine reptile Liopleurodon snatching the medium-sized carnivorous dinosaur Eustreptospondylus from the shore. Also an example of another trope since Liopleurodon was probably closer to 4.5-6.5 meters rather than the absurd 25 meters noted in the episode.
- In the companion book, a lungfish eats a crayfish, only to be caught by a Coelophysis.
- Anachronism Stew:
- In 'New Blood', the Plateosaurus is not only geographically displaced, but temporally as well, although minor, as it is known only from the late Norian while the episode is set during the mid Norian. The unnamed cynodont is identified in supplementary material as Thrinaxodon, but this genus is only known from the Early Triassic (of South Africa and Antarctica).
- In 'Cruel Seas', Liopleurodon, Eustreptospondylus, Cryptoclidus, and Ophthalmosaurus had already become extinct by the time the episode is set (most of them lived during the Middle Jurassic or the very beginning of the Late Jurassic, while the episode is set near the end of the Late Jurassic).
- In 'Giant of The Skies', both Ornithocheirus and Tapejara (or more accuratelyTropeognathus and Tupandactylus) lived several million years after the episode is set (the episode is set near the end of the Barremian stage, while the pterosaurs are known from the beginning of the Albian, about fifteen million years apart). The pliosaur that makes a cameo is also identified on the website as Plesiopleurodon, a genus which lived even later, during the start of the Late Cretaceous.
- In 'Spirits of the Ice Forest', both Leaellynasaura and Koolasuchus lived before the episode is set. In the case of Leaellynasaura this is relatively minor, but for Koolasuchus this is a more major error, as by this time in Australia's history, crocodilians had arrived on the continent and probably driven them to extinction as is stated in the episode.
- In 'Death of a Dynasty', the 'one-ton crocodile' is identified as Deinosuchus, the unnamed snake as Dinilysia, and the unnamed dromaeosaurid as Dromaeosaurus in supplementary material, all of which had become extinct several million years before the end of the Cretaceous. In the case of the dromaeosaurid, it became Accidentally Correct Zoology with the later discovery of Dakotaraptor, a very similar raptor to the one in the episode (but which had feathers) that did live at the end of the Cretaceous in that region.
- Animated Actors: During the behind the scenes segment, the dinosaurs are shown with Medium Awareness, with one short clip showing the T. rex having its colours painted on with mock paint buckets and 'spare parts', another with an animator sculpting a raptor from the living animal and asking it to stand still.Utahraptor: Hmm.. Who did I find it most difficult to work with? Animators, definitely animators. You know, chase this dinosaur, chase that dinosaur, you'd swear we couldn't act. It's so degrading!
- Ape Shall Never Kill Ape: Averted, quite a few species kill members of their own kind. The small carnivorous dinosaur Coelophysis is an excellent example. The cynodonts (the ancestors of mammals) make another example.
- The Coelophysis example is due to the classic (but now mostly discredited) interpretation of what appeared to be remains of young Coelophysis in the ribcage of some adults of the same species; it's not an invention of the show, while the Cynodont one is invented.
- Apocalypse Wow: The meteor impact scene in 'Death of a Dynasty' is pretty awesome, and much more realistically shown than most other portraits in other documentaries, with the correct sequence of events: first the light, then the earth tremor, then the dust cloud and wind-storms, finally the melted rocks from the sky.
- Art Evolution: If you count the two shows as being related, then compare the T. rex in the original series◊ and the ones in Prehistoric Park◊ (the same thing about the 'sabretooth cat').
- Artistic License – Paleontology: There are plenty of mess-ups.
- Apparently some paleontologists strongly criticized the scene from the first episode of Walking with Dinosaurs where Postosuchus was shown urinating in a way more similar to that of mammals than that of reptiles and birds, despite it was an ancient relative of both crocs and dinos - so strongly in fact, that one of the series' scientific consultants, Prof. Michael Benton, decided to address their criticism. The relevant bit: 'Another category of WWD-haters, the fact checkers, began compiling lists of errors in the first week. These were gleefully circulated on the e-mail lists. For example, in the first programme, Postosuchus urinates copiously. There is no doubt that it does so in the programme, and this was a moment that my children relished. However, of course, birds and crocodiles, the closest living relatives of the dinosaurs, do not urinate; they shed their waste chemicals as more solid uric acid. Equally, though, we can’t prove that Postosuchus did not urinate like this: copious urination is the primitive state for tetrapods (seen in fishes, amphibians, turtles, and mammals), and it might have been retained by some basal archosaurs.'
- Also, Dr. Darren Naish is known to stronglydislike the WWD reconstruction of Tyrannosaurus.
- Scaly raptors weren't to the paleontologists' liking even back then.
- Reusing models meant that some correct anatomical details that got carried over from one animal to the other suddenly turned erroneous. Case in point: the thumbs on hadrosaurs.
- The book accompanying the series implies that birds are no more related to theropods than ceratopsians are to pachycephalosaurs.
- The Complete Guide to Prehistoris Life claims that megalosaurs are carnosaurs, when they're more likely a more primitive branch.
- Coelophysis and Plateosaurus never existed at the same time, but in this case it was truly an artistic decision, just to show how the former grew into the giant beast later in the Triassic.
- Beware My Stinger Tail: Stegosaurus and Ankylosaurus.
- Big Damn Heroes: In Walking with Dinosaurs, the young Diplodocus is attacked by an Allosaurus and is saved when another Diplodocus knocks the Allosaurus down with its tail.
- Bittersweet Ending:
- 'Time of the Titans': The female Diplodocus has survived to maturity and is well on her way to growing too large to be preyed upon. However, only one of her many siblings has survived from birth alongside her, and the narrator notes that life on Earth will never again be as large as the sauropods once they go extinct.
- 'Cruel Sea': The young Opthalmosaurus survive the odds and venture off into the ocean, but the old Liopleurodon has died a slow painful death from being beached.
- 'Spirits of the Ice Forest': The Leallynasaura clan has survived the brutal winter and is finding a new alpha to replace the one that perished. The narrator notes that soon, Antarctica will become the icy hell it's known as year-round, dooming the local dinosaurs.
- Ultimately the ending to the series with the K-Pg Extinction event—the prehistoric dinosaurs are gone for good, but their lineage lives on in the birds and their extinction paved the way for the mammals (and by extension humans) to take over in their stead.
- Bloodier and Gorier: Several scenes of mild or implied violence and death from the TV series were described in rather graphic detail in the accompanying book Walking with Dinosaurs: A Natural History. Compare, for example, the scene of fight between female Tyrannosaurus and the armoured herbivore Ankylosaurus from the TV series with their fight in the book. Meanwhile, the poor Ornithocheirus—as if he hadn't suffered enough—dies not just of exhaustion, but of more or less getting torn apart by the rival males!
- Book-Ends:
- The ending to the last episode of Walking With Monsters, the last series entry in the franchise (since by now, all the major eras of Earth's history have been covered, so there's nothing left to tell) echoes the end of the first episode of Walking With Dinosaurs. It even has the same music.
- The first dinosaur we see (during the scenes in the first episode which outline what the series is going to be about) is a Tyrannosaurus. The last dinosaurs to be shown (unless you count the shots of modern birds at the end) are two juvenile Tyrannosaurus, who get swept away by the blast wave from the comet strike.
- Colony Drop: At the end of 'Death of a Dynasty,' naturally.
- Darker and Edgier: The book is far more brutal than the television series.
- A Day in the Limelight: The Ballad of Big Al serves as this for Allosaurus, which originally only featured as an 'antagonist' in 'Time of the Titans'.
- Dying Alone: Poor Ornithocheirus.
- Early-Bird Cameo: Tupandactylus navigans (the pterosaur that the Tapejara was based on) was not formally described until several years after the series aired (it was described as a species of Tapejara in 2003 and moved to its own genus in 2007). The large Ornithocheirus (now Tropeognathus) specimen that provided the basis for the (still exaggerated) giant size stated in the show wasn't described until 2012.
- Eats Babies: The Coelophysis, cynodonts, Allosaurus, Didelphodon, andcHell Creek dromaeosaurids all get to feed on babies and juveniles. In some cases, those of their own kind. (Or even their own.)
- Inverted with Ornithocheirus. The final scene in 'Giant of the Skies' shows a juvenile Ornithocheirus eating one of the adult males which died during the mating rituals.But nature is seldom wasteful. They have become food for the next generation.
- Inverted with Ornithocheirus. The final scene in 'Giant of the Skies' shows a juvenile Ornithocheirus eating one of the adult males which died during the mating rituals.
- Everything's Better with Dinosaurs: The developers originally wanted to do a show about prehistoric mammals. They only got money for one about dinosaurs. Once the dinosaurs series was finished (and a success) they could accomplish their original goal.
- Everything's Squishier with Cephalopods: The ammonites from Cruel Sea.
- Feathered Fiend: The primitive bird Iberomesornis in Giant of the Skies fit the Zerg Rush type of this.
- Technically also Ornitholestes, Utahraptor, and the Late Cretaceous dromaeosaurids, even though many of them were depicted as unfeathered or only sparsely feathered.
- Foregone Conclusion: The dinosaurs did go extinct and the episode is called 'Death of a Dynasty' after all.
- The death of the old Ornithocheirus. The first thing we see is his body, and rest of the episode shows his last journey before he died.
- Gasshole: One of the Diplodocus is heard farting during the digestion of plant matter, while the narrator says 'The activity in its gut produces a lot of excess gas'.
- Giant Flyer: Several giant pterosaurs (the correct name instead of 'pterodactyl'). From the first series, both Ornithocheirus (oversized) and Quetzalcoatlus (not oversized) had a wingspan of 45 feet.
- Graceful in Their Element:
- The Cryptoclidus is clumsy on land, but graceful in the water.
- All of the featured pterosaurs (now debunked due to Science Marches On); cumbersome and ungainly on the ground, expert flyers in the air.
- Hiroshima as a Unit of Measure: The meteor at the end of the Cretaceous. It explodes with a power of 300.000.000 Hiroshima bombs.
- How We Got Here: 'Giant of the Skies' opens on the corpse of the Ornithocheirus, and the rest of the episode shows us his last few weeks of life.
- I Am A Humanitarian: Several creatures throughout the series are either seen eating their own kind or are mentioned to do so.
- When their burrow is besieged by the Coelophysis, the Cynodonts, having already lost one pup to the dinosaurs, are forced to eat the remaining two in order to both cheat the Coelophysis of their meal and give themselves the chance to escape.
- The Coelophysis themselves also turn to cannibalism when the going gets tough, though the fossil evidence which inspired this scene was later found to have been misinterpreted.
- The narration mentions that adult Opthalmosaurus will sometimes eat the offspring of others to increase their own young's chances of survival.
- At the end of the Ornithocheirus mating season, the bodies of males who have 'lost out in the struggle to reproduce' are eaten by juvenile Ornithocheirus.
- The mother Tyrannosaurus in the final episode will, according to the narration, quickly come to view her offspring as 'food', though this turns out to be a moot point as she is fatally injured by an Ankylosaurus's club-like tail. It is also implied that the weakest of the Tyrannosaurus babies was killed and eaten by its siblings.
- Infant Immortality: Averted on a grand scale.
- New Blood contained the deaths of all the cynodont young (one by being eaten by the Coelophysis, the rest eaten by their own parents in the uncut UK Broadcast/DVD). The Coelophysis themselves are also cannibals.
- 'Time of the Titans', obviously, with all the Diplodocus youngsters (called 'sauropodlets' in the show), very few of whom reach adulthood, the rest having either fallen victim to other dinosaurs (mostly predators, though one is killed when it gets in the way of a Stegosaurus's spiked tail) or died in a forest fire. Even more so in the book, where only one survives.
- 'Cruel Sea' focuses on a generation of young Opthalmosaurus, a fish-like marine reptile belonging to the ichthyosaur group. The one we mostly follow manages to avoid death by storms, sharks, and drowning, but it's implied that most of his fellows aren't so lucky. There's also the very, very graphic instance of Death by Childbirth, in which neither mother nor baby Opthalmosaurus are left alive.
- 'Spirits of the Ice Forest'. Although many of the Leaellynasaura clan mate and lay eggs, the only ones that survive long enough to hatch are those laid by the dominant female. Even then, two out of the three hatchlings are killed (offscreen) by predators.
- 'Death of a Dynasty' has, (besides the orphaned Tyrannosaurus young killed by the meteor at the end) the Triceratops-like Torosaurus young killed by dromaeosaurids (commonly known as 'raptors') and an implied death of a picked on Tyrannosaurus. And if it counts: the small mammal Didelphodon eating the eggs.
- In the original cut, the female tyrannosaur goes into heat because a leak of volcanic gas kills her first litter of eggs before they hatch. Then two Didelphodon come and try to eat the almost-formed tyrannosaur embryos.
- Just Before the End: The final episode begins a few months before the meteor arrives, but the narration makes clear that even without it, dinosaurs and their ilk are on the decline. The environment, turning sparse and poisonous, is killing them faster than they can reproduce.
- Kill 'Em All: The series ends with the Cretaceous-Paleogene extinction event, killing 75% of life on Earth.
- Land Down Under: Cretaceous Australia spends half the year frozen solid, with no sunlight whatsoever during that period.
- Leitmotif: The Utahraptor pack is accompanied by tribal drums during their ambush on the Iguanodon herd.
- The Magic Goes Away: Death of a Dynasty.
- Mama Bear: The female Tyrannosaurus. Deconstructed, as her valiant attempt to scare an Ankylosaurus away from her infants ends up killing her, and it's implied that her babies would have starved to death without her to protect them. Only implied, because they're soon killed by the meteorite anyway.
- The female Tyrannosaurus also displays the trait in the live arena show, when she scares away a Torosaurus and an Ankylosaurus that are harassing her baby.
- Misplaced Wildlife: European dinosaurs Plateosaurus, and Polacanthus and the equally European pterosaurs Peteinosaurus and Anurognathus, all placed in North America in the show, not to mention Utahraptor, of all things, in Europe. The Peteinosaurus and Plateosaurus examples may be justified, since they lived at the time of Pangaea. They could easily have migrated from Europe into North America or vice versa, although no fossil evidence of this has been found. Polacanthus in North America may be based on the genus Hoplitosaurus, an ankylosaur often referred to by the European genus. The American narration refers to the ankylosaur as Gastonia, a similar animal from the proper time and place.
- Mood Whiplash: In the arena show, the mother Tyrannosaurus scares away the Torosaurus and Ankylosaurus harassing her baby. The mother and her baby then share a cute little moment where she goes around roaring at the audience and he tries to mimic her, with underwhelming results. They nuzzle a bit, and then the comet hits.
- Narrator: Kenneth Branagh. He was dubbed over for some releases. In the American dub, Avery Brooks takes over.
- Never Smile at a Crocodile: In 'Death of a Dynasty', a large crocodile eagerly eyes a Quetzalcoatlus that comes to take a drink, but the pterosaur leaves well before he gets into any real danger.
- No Fourth Wall: Nigel Marven repeatedly addresses the audience.
- No-Holds-Barred Beatdown: The fight between female Tyrannosaurus' and 'Ankylosaurus ends up this way in the book that accompanied the TV series.
- Nobody Poops: Averted in 'Time of the Titans'. Not only do they show a full view of a Diplodocus defecating twice, but they also show the pile of shit and the dung beetles crawling all over it.
- Outside-Context Villain: Several episodes feature a natural disaster that comes late and puts at risk both prey and predator - a drought in 'New Blood', a tropical storm in 'Cruel Sea', the polar winter in 'Spirits of the Ice Forest', and the volcanic activity and meteor strike in 'Death of a Dynasty'.
- Palette Swap: Similar looking animals (like Utahraptor and Dromaeosaurus, Allosaurus and Australovenator, various ornithopods) were just these. Certain animals (like large theropods and ornithopods) only got new heads. You can tell, because many creatures have the exact same folds and blood vessels on their skin. Then, there is Plesiopleurodon, which is just Stock Footage of Liopleurodon from the previous episode, only tinted lighter.
- Quetzalcoatlus is the worst offender, as in its case it's obvious that the animators didn't have much time; it's just the Ornithocheirus from 'Giant of the Skies' with a few minor tweaks. They didn't even edit out the teeth!
- Papa Wolf: The male cynodont. Until the Coelophysis discover the burrow and he decides that the young aren't worth defending anymore, at least..
- Please Wake Up: The baby T-Rexes continue to hang around their dead mother, waiting for the corpse to get up. Averted in the book, where they begin to feed on the body, showing that they are aware that their mother has died.
- Raptor Attack: Scaly raptors appear.
- Real Is Brown: Averted. Much like modern fauna, these dinos are pretty vibrant-looking.
- Red Herring: Eustreptospondylus being shown during the opening narration of Cruel Sea, with Kenneth Branagh talking about 'the most fearsome predator of the Jurassic' that 'is watching his prey'. Only a few moments later it becomes obvious that this narration wasn't about Eustreptospondylus, but instead about Liopleurodon
- Sea Monster: The entire third episode, Cruel Sea, though a giant Plesiopleurodon also appears in Giant of the Skies for one shot.
- Secondary Sexual Characteristics: A few examples occur here and there. For instance:
- Female T. rexes are portrayed as being larger and more aggressive than their male counterparts. Do note that there's very little support for this nowadays.
- Female Ornithocheirus are depicted as lacking the keel-like crests that the males have on their beaks, while female Tapejaras have smaller head crests than their male counterparts.
- Seldom-Seen Species:
- New Blood:Postosuchus, Plateosaurus, Placerias', 'Peteinosaurus, Coelophysis
- Time of the Titans:Ornitholestes, Anurognathus
- Cruel Sea:Ophthalmosaurus', 'Liopleurodon, Eustreptospondylus, Cryptoclidus, Hybodus', 'Perisphinctes
- Giant of the Skies:Ornithocheirus', 'Tupandactylus' (still called 'Tapejara' here), Polacanthus, Iberomesornis'
- Spirits of the Ice Forest:Leaellynasaura', 'Muttaburrasaurus, Koolasuchus, Steropodon
- Death of a Dynasty:Torosaurus, Dromaeosaurus, Didelphodon, Deinosuchus, Dinilysia
- Walking With Dinosaurs: The Arena Spectacular:Liliensternus, Ornithocheirus, Plateosaurus, Torosaurus
- Shoot the Shaggy Dog: The episode 'Giant of the Skies' was about an Ornithocheirus traveling halfway across the globe enduring various hardships in order to reach the mating grounds only to have it driven away and eventually dying from starvation and exhaustion, and it never got to mate a single time.
- The Mother Tyrannosaurus rex in 'Death Of A Dynasty'. After a nest she built prior to the start of the episode fails, she mates again and lays a fresh clutch of eggs. Unfortunately, however, out of the twelve eggs that she lays, nine of them fail to hatch, of the three that do, the youngest one doesn't last long and is implied to have been killed by its own siblings. Shortly afterwards, the mother herself is fatally injured while defending her last two young from an Ankylosaurus and suffers a slow agonising death shortly afterwards. And, the very next day, the asteroid impact that caused the K-T Mass Extinction kills both of her only surviving offspring. As the book puts it, 'Her long struggle to reproduce has come to nothing.'
- Shown Their Work: The production team went on great lengths to avoid grasses during the shooting of Walking with Dinosaurs. Then we found out it first appeared in the Cretaceous, though it was confined to India at the time, so its absence is still justified.
- Special Effects Evolution: When comparing the original series with The Ballad of Big Al special. The dinosaur models are more detailed, the puppets are more convincing, and most notably the shots are far more dynamic with a lot of camera movement, something the original series was keen to avoid. There's also a lot less use of composited bushes and shrubs to hide foot contacts.
- Sterility Plague: In 'Death of a Dynasty', the atmospheric pollution caused by the increase in volcanic activity at the end of the Cretaceous means dinosaur eggs are not forming properly, leading to clutches either failing completely or producing only a handful of viable eggs. This, along with everything else that was going on in the world, is taken to imply that, even if the comet strike hadn't happened, the dinosaurs were dying out anyway.
- Tail Slap: An adult Diplodocus saves a younger one from an Allosaurus this way.
- Taxonomic Term Confusion: Branagh refers to the sauropods as 'a great family of dinosaurs' in the original WWD. 'Infraorder' would be more appropriate.
- Still better than in some of the dubbed versions, which call sauropods a species.
- Tyrannosaurus rex: The main character of the final episode.
- The Worf Effect: A good way to show that an animal is a badass is have it drive off, beat up, or kill the top predator of the episode, as was the case with Stegosaurus (to Allosaurus) and Ankylosaurus (to Tyrannosaurus).
- If the animal is another predator, another way is to have it prey on or scare away another stereotypically dangerous predator such as a theropod or shark. Most famously done with Liopleurodon; and then the several Threatening Shark examples of course (see above).
- Zerg Rush: The Coelophysis against the dying Postosuchus.
- A defensive variant is used by on the old Ornithocheirus.
Alternative Title(s):The Ballad Of Big Al, Chased By Dinosaurs, Sea Monsters, Walking With Cavemen, Walking With Dinosaurs
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Written by | John Collee |
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Music by | Paul Leonard-Morgan |
Cinematography | John Brooks |
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Distributed by | 20th Century Fox |
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Language | English |
Budget | $80 million |
Box office | $126.5 million |
Walking with Dinosaurs is a 2013 family film about dinosaurs set in the Late Cretaceous period, 70 million years ago. The production features computer-animated dinosaurs in live-action settings with actors John Leguizamo, Justin Long, Tiya Sircar, and Skyler Stone providing voice-overs for the main characters. It was directed by Neil Nightingale and Barry Cook from a screenplay by John Collee.
The film was produced by BBC Earth and Evergreen Films and was titled after BBC's 1999 television documentary miniseries of the same name. The film, with a budget of US$80 million, was one of the largest independent productions to date; it was financed by Reliance Big Entertainment and IM Global instead of a major studio. The majority of distribution rights were eventually sold to 20th Century Fox. The crew filmed footage on location in the U.S. state of Alaska and in New Zealand, which were chosen for their similarities to the dinosaurs' surroundings millions of years ago. Animal Logic designed computer-animated dinosaurs and added them to the live-action backdrop. Though the film was originally going to lack narration or dialogue, 20th Century Fox executives decided to add voiceovers, believing it would connect audiences to the characters.
Walking with Dinosaurs premiered on 14 December 2013 at the Dubai International Film Festival. It was released in cinemas in 2D and 3D on 20 December 2013. Critics commended the film's visual effects but found its storytelling to be subpar and derided the voiceovers as juvenile. The film grossed US$36.1 million in the United States and Canada and US$90.5 million in other territories for a worldwide total of US$126.5 million. The Hollywood Reporter stated the film's global box office performance was disappointing in context of the production budget and marketing costs.
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Plot[edit]
A paleontologist named Zack takes his nephew Ricky and niece Jade on a fossil hunt. While alone, Ricky is met by a talking raven, who turns into an Alexornis named Alex. He tells him of a story set in the Cretaceous period 70 million years ago. Patchi is the smallest in a litter of Pachyrhinosaurus hatchlings, and is often bullied by his older brother Scowler. Their father Bulldust is the leader of the Pachyrhinosaurus herd. Alex, who is Patchi's mentor, tries to help Patchi impress a female Pachyrhinosaurus named Juniper, but her herd migrates south without him.
Bulldust moves his herd south as well, but when they try to pass through a forest, they are forced to flee when a storm strikes and a fire erupts. Taking advantage of the chaos, a pack of Gorgosaurus attacks the scattered herd. They kill the rest of Patchi and Scowler's family while their leader Gorgon fights and kills Bulldust. Afterwards, Patchi's herd (now led by Bulldust's rival Major) combines with Juniper's as they continue their migration. There, Gorgon's pack attacks them again. In the ensuing chaos, Patchi, Scowler, and Juniper fall into a river and are swept downstream to the ocean, with Alex following them from above. At a beach, Scowler follows a herd of Edmontosaurus to find food, callously leaving Patchi and Juniper behind. The two make their way through a forest and eventually are able to find their herd and Scowler.
After years of making the same migration from north to south and vice versa, an adult Scowler becomes the herd's new leader after defeating Major, and chooses Juniper to be his mate, much to Patchi's disappointment. Scowler recklessly leads the herd onto a frozen lake, but Patchi is able to lead the majority of the herd to safety. Enraged and believing Patchi to be usurping him and also trying to take Juniper from him, Scowler confronts Patchi and challenges him for a battle in exchange for leadership of the herd. Scowler quickly gains the upper hand and wins as he disowns Patchi before ordering Juniper and the rest of the herd to leave him as well as Alex behind. Despondent and heartbroken, Patchi tries to allow predators to kill him, but Alex convinces him to die for something worth dying for as Bulldust did.
Reinvigorated by the advice, Patchi returns to the herd, only to find them under attack by Gorgon and his pack again. As Gorgon overpowers him in battle, a repentant Scowler orders Patchi to save himself and lead the herd to safety. Instead, Patchi leads them into fighting off Gorgon and his pack, saving Scowler. Scowler reconciles with Patchi and then concedes leadership of the herd to him, while Patchi goes on to have eggs with Juniper, one of which hatches and Alex asks for it to be named after him. In the present day, moved by Alex's story, Ricky returns the Gorgosaurus tooth to Zack and Jade, who have discovered Gorgon's skull buried in the ground.
Cast[edit]
Actor John Leguizamo voiced Alex the Alexornis, who narrates the film
Voiceovers for prehistoric creatures
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In the film, the story of the dinosaurs is book-ended by live-action footage. Leguizamo, Long, Sircar, and Stone provide voiceovers for the computer-animated dinosaurs, while the book-end scenes star Urban as an uncle taking his nephew and niece, played by Rowe and Rice, to a dinosaur excavation site.[2] For the role of Alex, Leguizamo said he sought to conceal his own accent and create a unique voice for Alex.[3] He adopted a Spanish accent since parrots had a Latin American origin. He said, 'What was most difficult was finding the right pitch, because Alex is a small bird, but he's also the story's narrator. So he also had to sound paternal and patriarchal.'[4] Leguizamo compared his accent to that of Ricardo Montalbán, a Mexican actor.[5] Long said he was cast based on his voicing of the chipmunk Alvin in Alvin and the Chipmunks (2007) and its sequels.[6]
Creatures in film[edit]
- Alexornis[7]
- Alphadon[7]
- Chirostenotes[7]
- Edmontonia (identified as an ankylosaur)[7]
- Edmontosaurus[7]
- Gorgosaurus[7]
- Hesperonychus[7]
- Pachyrhinosaurus[7]
- Parksosaurus[7]
- Quetzalcoatlus (identified as a pterosaur)[7]
- Troodon[7]
Production[edit]
Walking with Dinosaurs, named after BBC's 1999 television documentary miniseries, was produced by BBC Earth, an arm of BBC Worldwide that was launched in 2009. The feature film is directed by Barry Cook, who was a director for Mulan (1998) and the co-director for Arthur Christmas (2011), and by Neil Nightingale, creative director at BBC Earth.[8] The script was written by John Collee.[9] Nightingale and BBC Earth's managing director Amanda Hill sought to produce film adaptations to extend the arm's brand of nature programming. The two were inspired by returns for Deep Blue (2003) and Earth (2007), which were theatrical versions cut from their respective nature documentary series.[10] In June 2010, BBC Earth entered a deal with Evergreen Films, based in the United States, to produce a film featuring dinosaurs.[11] By the following November, BBC Earth entered a deal with Reliance Big Entertainment to finance the production of three films, including Walking with Dinosaurs. The deal had initially attached Pierre de Lespinois of Evergreen Films and Neil Nightingale to co-direct the film.[12] Barry Cook, who joined the film in March 2010,[13] eventually replaced de Lespinois as director.[8]
The total production budget was $80 million.[14] About 70% of the budget was covered when IM Global, a finance and sales company backed by Reliance, sold film rights to various distributors at the American Film Market in November 2010. The budget was further covered by tax breaks provided for filming in Alaska and in New Zealand. IM Global covered only 15% of the budget directly. Forbes called Walking with Dinosaurs an independent film with an unconventionally large budget since the production did not originate at a major studio.[15] Nightingale explained, 'It was originally funded by.. Reliance, and then we sold it pretty quickly to 20th Century Fox for most of the world, and to a range of other distributors in a few other countries, and that's not an unusual path for an independent film — in other words, a non-studio film which doesn't originate from a big studio.'[16]
Filming[edit]
The directors filmed footage at the Kenai Peninsula in Alaska to serve as a live-action backdrop for the computer-animated dinosaurs
The film features computer-animated creatures in live-action settings.[10] Live-action footage was filmed in New Zealand and in the southern part of the U.S. state of Alaska. Director Nightingale said, '[They] have that kind of temperate climate which represents the period very well. The world was a bit warmer then, so they would have had 24 hours of sunshine in the summer and 24 hours of darkness in the winter.'[17] Filming began in 2011 in Alaska, where Evergreen Films is headquartered.[18] In the second half of 2011, more than 55 people were working out of Evergreen's office in the Alaskan city of Anchorage.[19] While the film's dinosaurs lived in Alaska during the Late Cretaceous period approximately 70 million years ago, they lived more in the northern part of the state due to the climate at the time. Filmmakers considered Southeast Alaska's rainforests below the Arctic Circle close to the climate that the dinosaurs experienced, so they filmed there and in Southcentral Alaska. Specific locations included Crow Creek Mine near Girdwood, Alaska and the Kenai Peninsula.[20] In 2012, the state government of Alaska awarded the production companies a subsidy of US$1.7 million.[21] Additional filming also took place in the South Island of New Zealand.[16] For a river chase scene, filming was performed at rapids in New Zealand using a helicopter and with a 3D camera rig in a rubber boat.[17] At the locations, the crew built dinosaur shapes out of PVC drain pipes to give the filmmakers a sense of the dinosaurs' scale when filming the live-action backdrop.[22]
Animation[edit]
Animation work was done by the Australia-based company Animal Logic, which joined the production in January 2011. Its involvement with the production created 140 jobs in New South Wales.[23] The company's animation director for Walking with Dinosaurs was Marco Marenghi, who had also worked on the BBC miniseries.[24] The company collaborated with animation producer Jinko Gotoh, who contributed to Finding Nemo (2003) and 9 (2009).[25]
Character designer David Krentz, who also worked on Disney Animation's Dinosaur (2000), designed about 20 creatures for the film and worked with 5-6 palaeontologists.[13] The characters were based on creatures found at fossil sites in Alaska and in Canada.[26] Krentz initially designed the creatures in pencil then modeled them with the software ZBrush to send to animators.[13] In addition, palaeontologists provided Animal Logic with technical drawings of dinosaur skeletons so animators could construct the skeletons virtually. The animators collaborated with the palaeontologists to validate the basic movements of the computer-animated dinosaurs. Software was used to overlay muscle to fit the movements. Animal Logic adapted the software Quill, which they used to animate penguin feathers in their work on Happy Feet (2006), into new software called RepTile to animate dinosaur skin and scales.[17] It also added feathers for some dinosaurs, including the Troodon and the Hesperonychus. The color palette and feather pattern of a golden pheasant was used for the appearance of the Hesperonychus.[27] The natural history unit archives were used to create a 'behaviour matrix' that matched dinosaurs' anatomically correct gestures to their moods.[17] Animal Logic ultimately created 800 animated shots for the film, which director Cook said was a low number for an animated film.[13]
The 3D effects for the animation were achieved with the Fusion 3D system,[25] which was used for Avatar (2009), Transformers: Dark of the Moon (2011), and live 3D sports broadcasts.[18] Cinematographer John Brooks worked with consultants and stereographers from the Cameron Pace Group to use a two-camera setup and capture film in 3D.[13]
Music[edit]
Paul Leonard-Morgan composed the film score for Walking with Dinosaurs. He joined the production in July 2013. The German Film Orchestra Babelsberg performed the score at the Babelsberg Studio in Potsdam, Germany, where it was recorded. Engineer Rupert Coulson then mixed the score at AIR Studios in London, England. Leonard-Morgan then went to Los Angeles, California to dub the music for the film.[28] Leonard-Morgan's score was one of 114 original scores from feature films that were determined by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences to be eligible for the Academy Award for Best Original Score at the 86th Academy Awards,[29] though it was not nominated.[30]
Additional music | |||
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No. | Title | Music | Length |
1. | 'Calling All Hearts' | Sanford Clark | |
2. | 'What a Difference a Day Makes' | Tim Myers | |
3. | 'I'm Gonna Love You Just a Little More Baby' | Barry White | |
4. | 'Tusk' | Fleetwood Mac | |
5. | 'Ends of the Earth' | Lord Huron | |
6. | 'Live Like a Warrior' | Matisyahu |
Voiceovers[edit]
In the film, actors provide voiceovers for the main creatures. Director Barry Cook said the original plan was for the film to be without dialogue or narration. He said, 'I think originally, we were looking at a film that could stand alone as a virtual silent movie.. You can turn the soundtrack off and still get involved with the story and feel the emotions of the characters. In its final version, the movie has a narration and goes inside the heads of the animals, so you can hear what they're thinking.'[13] Executives at 20th Century Fox, one of the film's main distributors, viewed a rough cut and felt the film needed voiceovers so children in the audience could connect to the characters.[31]
The film's character designer David Krentz said, 'Although the production veered away from being very realistic, the animation still plays independently. The powers that be decided to add narration and voice-over to reach a wider audience and the characters became slightly anthropomorphized to make them more attractive to younger kids.'[13] Palaeontologist Steve Brusatte responded to The Scotsman's prompt about the 'danger of anthropomorphising' the dinosaurs, 'The voiceovers are a bit of a compromise; the dinosaurs' lips aren't moving, they are not smiling and having human-like facial expressions or anything like that.. They are only anthropomorphised to a small degree and that is necessary for a film like this.'[22]
Palaeontological accuracy[edit]
Variety reported, '[Director] Nightingale describes the project as 'mainstream entertainment' rather than natural history.. but draws accurately on the latest discoveries in paleontology.'[10] A team of scientific and technical consultants contributed to the film. One team member was Dr. Steve Brusatte of the University of Edinburgh, who is a Chancellor's Fellow in Vertebrate Palaeontology. Brusatte said the filmmakers strove to understand the discoveries about dinosaurs since the release of Jurassic Park in 1993, 'They used so much of this information that we've learned over the past few decades, about feathered dinosaurs, about how dinosaurs lived in big herds, which dinosaurs preyed on each other, their environments, and used that to tell the story.'[22]
The Gorgosaurus is one of the film's main dinosaurs and is depicted with iridescent scales. Its appearance was scrutinized for palaeontological accuracy due to findings of preserved feathers in other tyrannosaurs.
Some dinosaurs in the film are feathered. Brusatte said, 'Over the past 15 years, we have collected thousands of specimens of feathered dinosaurs – proper bona fide dinosaurs covered in feathers.' New Scientist reported that 'no evidence has yet been found' to suggest that the Pachyrhinosaurus or the Gorgosaurus were feathered.[32] Director Cook said of the Gorgosaurus, 'We decided that we wouldn't put feathers on that one, but we did give that dinosaur iridescent scales.'[27]National Geographic said, 'Many paleontologists and dinosaur fans are disappointed that CGI docudrama's villains, a gaggle of iridescent Gorgosaurus, are devoid of any fluff or fuzz.' Shortly after the filmmakers designed their Gorgosaurus for the film, the tyrannosauroid Yutyrannus was discovered with direct evidence of feathers.[33] While older than Gorgosaurus, Yutyrannus provides further evidence of feathers in tyrannosauroids. National Geographic also noted that Gorgosaurus was depicted as feathered in the 2011 direct-to-video film March of the Dinosaurs.[34]
Palaeontologist Anthony Fiorillo was a consultant for the film and helped determine what dinosaurs lived in Alaska at the time. Fiorillo said 'the first known track' of a therizinosaur in Alaska was discovered in 2012,[35] which was too late to include in the film's lineup of dinosaurs. The palaeontologist said based on ongoing research of the Pachyrhinosaurus perotorum, which he discovered in Alaska in 2012, he would have modified his advice to the filmmakers about designing the film's Pachyrhinosaurus.[36]
Don Lessem, a writer who specializes in dinosaurs, said Walking with Dinosaurs was an improvement from Jurassic Park in how the dinosaurs fit the period. He found most of the dinosaurs to be depicted correctly but also highlighted the possibility of the Gorgosaurus having feathers. Lessem stated the Alaskan scenery, while 'a spectacular backdrop', did not exist at the time, 'Conifers excepted, such scenery did not exist in dinosaur-age Alaska. Think woody outskirts of Seattle instead. Rainy and cool. No grand Rockies. Or much grass. And not much snow or ice.'[37]
Marketing[edit]
20th Century Fox marketed Walking with Dinosaurs in the territories where it distributed the film.[15] It also held a launch event at the Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County in California.[38] The film is an extension of an existing franchise that started with the BBC miniseries and continued with an arena show that put animatronic dinosaurs on display. Since merchandising deals already existed, filmmakers easily began releasing merchandise for the film. Forbes said, 'There is already merchandise (toys, lunch boxes etc.) related to the movie which is normally unheard of for a first film.'[15] Macmillan Children's Books (under Macmillan Publishers) acquired the license to publish tie-in books for the film in the United Kingdom and the Commonwealth. They published in November 2013 an encyclopaedic guide to the film's dinosaurs, a film handbook, and sticker books.[39] Travelgoods.com produced back to school merchandise based on the film, and Keldan International sold a hatching-egg toy for Christmas.[40]
Supermassive Games developed the Wonderbook game Walking with Dinosaurs for the PlayStation 3. The game was released on 13 November 2013.[41]
Release[edit]
Distribution sales[edit]
While Reliance Entertainment released the film in India, IM Global, which represented non-India rights to distribute the film, marketed it at the American Film Market in November 2010. In what Variety called one of the 'biggest deals in years', 20th Century Fox, the one-time U.S. home video distributor of the original series, purchased rights to distribute the film in the United States, the United Kingdom, France, Australia, Japan, South Korea, Latin America, and other territories. Variety reported, 'Insiders say it's safe to say that the pre-sales cover most, if not all, of the film's budget.' For other territories, Constantin Film purchased distribution rights for Germany, Alliance Films for Canada, Aurum for Spain, and Dutch Film Works for Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg.[42]Entertainment One acquired Alliance and Aurum in January 2013, which rearranged distribution rights.[43]
Theatrical run[edit]
Walking with Dinosaurs premiered on 14 December 2013 at the Dubai International Film Festival.[44][45] Distributor 20th Century Fox also had a special screening for the film in New York City on 15 December 2013.[3] It distributed the film in cinemas in the United States and in the United Kingdom on 20 December 2013.[46] It distributed the film in Australia and New Zealand on 1 January 2014.[40]
Distributor 20th Century Fox focused advertising on young children. It also advertised the film as one for kids like Avatar (2009) was for adults.[47] Prior to the film's release, Forbes stated that in the United States, Walking with Dinosaurs was the only 'kid-friendly film' coming out in December 2013.[48]The Wall Street Journal said, 'Walking with Dinosaurs.. is the only new release targeted at children and is expected to appeal primarily to young ones.'[49]Box Office Mojo commented in its December 2013 forecast, 'It should do some solid business among families with younger children, though in a highly-competitive season this is the kind of movie that can get lost in the pack.'[50] It predicted that Walking with Dinosaurs would gross US$11.8 million over the weekend and rank sixth at the box office.[47]ComingSoon.net predicted that with a crowded weekend of films, Walking with Dinosaurs would gross US$6.8 million over the weekend to rank seventh at the box office.[51]TheWrap says that box office analysts predict a weekend opening 'in the low-teen millions'.[52]
The film was released in 3,231 cinemas in the United States with 84% of the cinemas having 3D.[53] On the opening weekend in the United States, it grossed US$7.1 million and ranked eighth at the box office.[54] According to the polling firm CinemaScore, audiences gave the film a 'B' grade.[55] Distributor 20th Century Fox had anticipated an opening weekend of US$10 million to US$12 million. The Hollywood Reporter said, 'Walking with Dinosaurs is the first major disappointment of the Christmas season.'[56] It was outperformed almost 3-to-1 by the competing family film Frozen, which ranked third at the box office and had been in theaters for a month.[57] Outside the United States, Walking with Dinosaurs was released in 40 markets the same opening weekend. It grossed US$13.8 million, with US$1.6 million grossed in the United Kingdom.[55]
Walking with Dinosaurs has grossed US$36.1 million in the United States and Canada and US$94.5 million in other territories for a worldwide total of US$130.6 million.[58] In the United States, it is one of only twelve feature films to be released in over 3,000 theaters and still improve on its box office performance in its second weekend, increasing 2.6% from $7,091,938 to $7,276,172.[59]The Hollywood Reporter said in January 2014 that the film's global box office performance was disappointing and was likely to only go up to US$125 million, meaning 'a potential loss in the tens of millions for the financiers'. It reported the financiers' response about the anticipated loss, 'They contend they will break even because of sponsorships, merchandising, tax breaks and foreign presales in territories where Fox didn't pick up the film.' Fox would also avoid a loss since it did not cover any part of the production budget and would get a distribution fee.[31]
Critical reception[edit]
The Wall Street Journal reported that film critics thought that Walking with Dinosaurs's 'majestic visuals are seriously undermined by pedestrian storytelling'.[60]The Hollywood Reporter said, 'Many critics have derided the juvenile tone of the voice dialogue.. also noting that the animals' lips don't move.'[31] The film review aggregator website Metacritic gave an aggregate score of 37 out of 100, which it said indicated 'generally unfavorable' reviews. It surveyed 21 critics and assessed 10 reviews as negative, six as mixed, and five as positive.[61] The similar website Rotten Tomatoes scored the film with 24% based on a survey of 70 reviews assessed as positive or negative. It assessed 53 as negative and 17 as positive. The website said, 'Walking with Dinosaurs boasts painstaking visual brilliance, but it's unfortunately clouded by a clumsy script that's dominated by juvenile humor.'[62] It also reported, 'The pundits say the filmmakers seem to have worried that a quasi-nature documentary approach might have turned off the youngsters, but the narrative is so poorly executed that the end result isn't all that entertaining, much less educational.'[63]
Mark Adams of Screen International said Walking with Dinosaurs worked as 'a kids' film for young dino fans'. Adams commended the 3D special effects as 'immersive and impressive' but thought audiences may be frustrated at 'its rather simplistic story'. He said, 'The film's attempt to make its story broad and accessible at times sits uneasily alongside the spectacular computer animation.'[2] Michael Rechtshaffen, reviewing for The Hollywood Reporter, also approved of the effects, calling them 'first rate'. The critic however complained that the added dialogue was 'needless' and that it was 'safe to assume that the overlay was added after the fact' by studio executives. Rechtshaffen said, 'Although the plotting.. follows a safely predictable course.. It's that forced, unnecessary and largely unfunny dialogue—save for Leguizamo's spirited way with words—that comes up distractingly flat.'[64]
Dan Jolin at Empire panned Walking with Dinosaurs as 'insipid, bloodless, pseudo-educational and offensively anthropomorphised'. Jolin applauded the visual effects but said that 'the decision to insert chirp-pop songs and voice the principal dinosaurs' overshadowed the effects.[65] Tom Meek, reviewing for Paste, also praised the effects as 'a visual wonderment' but disparaged 'the cutesy animal voices and personas'. Aside from highlights like the line 'Think outside the nest' and the song 'Tusk' by Fleetwood Mac, Meek was disappointed by the dialogue and choice of music.[66] Brian Switek, reviewing for National Geographic, said the voiceovers ruined the film. He said where films like The Land Before Time and You Are Umasou (the latter based on the Japanese book of the same name) were children's films with meaningful dialogue, Walking with Dinosaurs instead had dialogue that 'is vacuous and not only lacks emotional weight, but actually drains any emotions the audience might feel for the characters'. Switek said the film could be salvaged if its release on home media would include an option to watch it without the dialogue.[67]
Home media[edit]
Walking with Dinosaurs was released on DVD and Blu-ray in the United States on 25 March 2014. It ranked third in both Blu-ray sales and combined DVD and Blu-ray sales. It ranked below Disney's 3D computer-animated musical Frozen, which was in its second week of home media release, and The Wolf of Wall Street, which was also in its first week. Over 35% of sales for Walking with Dinosaurs were from Blu-ray sales.[68] Around 4% of its total sales were Blu-ray discs in 3-D.[69]
The Blu-ray 3D disc for Walking with Dinosaurs features bonus content including a 'Cretaceous Cut' of the film that omits the voiceovers.[70]
Walking With Dinosaurs: Prehistoric Planet 3D[edit]
In 2014, a shortened 45-minute version of Walking With Dinosaurs was released in 3D theaters across the U.S.A. Unlike the movie, this documentary is narrated in a style similar to that of the TV series, and removes the character names and dialogue. Unlike the series though, Prehistoric Planet 3D has a 'profile' appear whenever a new prehistoric animal species shows up; this profile shows the animal's name and diet. The Gorgosaurus that appeared in the movie are referred to as Nanuqsaurus; this is probably because other than a few possible indeterminate remains, Gorgosaurus is not known from Alaska, while Nanuqsaurus is.[71]
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Further reading[edit]
- Brusatte, Steve (2013). Walking with Dinosaurs Encyclopedia. HarperCollins Publishers. ISBN978-0-06-223278-6.
External links[edit]
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- Walking with Dinosaurs on IMDb
- Walking with Dinosaurs at Box Office Mojo
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- The Algorithms That Power the Hyper-Real Creatures of Walking With Dinosaurs at Wired
- King of the monsters by The Scotsman, a general history of dinosaurs in film
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